What should be done about illegal immigration?

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I guess you have not lost your job, or had your wages driven down, because of illegals. Your taxes are probably a lot higher, and your kids will have to pay off the debt built up because of various welfare programs for illegals, educating their kids, prison costs, etc.

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@Advocate,

You guys said the same thing about the blacks and the Jews...

it is still bigotry.

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@ebrown p,

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A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

You and many others of your ilk at a2k sure throw the label "bigot" around a lot. What you need to own up to is that a person making a value judgement that there is a difference in the quality of behaviours, or a difference between classes (and races) of humans, is not necessarily a bigot. If the value judgement has been made after taking consideration of the facts and evidence then the person is definitely not a bigot. It is high time for claims of bigotry to be ignored unless they can be substantiated. The false accusation rate it so high for this social crime that all individual allegations should be considered not true until they are proven. We Americans are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty anyways.

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@ebrown p,

That is a stupid comparison. Blacks and Jews are not illegal immigrants.

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@Advocate,

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Your taxes are probably a lot higher, and your kids will have to pay off the debt built up because of various welfare programs for blacks, educating their kids, prison costs, etc.

Yet the people who hate blacks and Jews also hate "illegal" people.

And the reasons for hatred seem to be the same... regardless of who the target is.

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@ebrown p,

Why do you equate people who hate with people who want law abiding people to come to our country. We as a country have the right to set standards for the immagrants just as most countries in the world do. And we have a right to tell illegals that they cant come here just whenever they want to and make them leave.

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@rabel22,

That's also what I wonder about why ebrown is so pro-illegals to this country. We are a country of immigrants, but we also have laws for legal immigration.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's also what I wonder about why ebrown is so pro-illegals to this country. We are a country of immigrants, but we also have laws for legal immigration.

welalso, until 2 years ago, had laws prohibiting asians from owning properity. repeat UNTIL 2 YEARS AGO.

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@dyslexia,

Funny, that! We've owned homes in this country since the early sixties. Two years ago?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Funny, that! We've owned homes in this country since the early sixties. Two years ago?

apparently you are not aware of law outside of california.

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@dyslexia,

No, just the laws in California and Illinois where we have owned homes. However, home ownership based on racial discrimination is against US laws.

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@dyslexia,

California's Alien Land Law was the first to be repealed in 1952 thanks largely to the Japanese American Citizens League. (Other states did so later, a lot later partly.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

(Other states did so later, a lot later partly.)

A newspaper article from Friday, October 24, 2008 [sic!]:

Repeal of alien land law long overdue, some say

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California passed the first alien land law in 1913, prohibiting “aliens ineligible for citizenship” from owning property. Over a dozen other states, including Florida, followed suit. The wording was originally inserted into the Florida constitution in 1926.

Amendment 1 would delete provisions from the state constitution that authorize the Legislature to regulate or prohibit the ownership, inheritance, disposition and possession of real property by aliens (legal or illegal) that are ineligible for citizenship.

For years U.S. naturalized citizenship had been limited to “free, white persons” under the 1790 Naturalization Act, so the term “aliens ineligible for citizenship” directly targeted Asian immigrants and non-U.S. born people of color.

It was not until 1952 that the restriction was lifted. In addition, most of the alien land laws were repealed between 1940 and 1960.

Florida is the last state in the country with such wording still in its constitution.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter, That is true; many Japanese families were able to get around that by caucasian friends who used their name to purchase property.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Walter, That is true; many Japanese families were able to get around that by caucasian friends who used their name to purchase property.

Wouldn't this have been..... illegal?

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@ebrown p,

Yes, but the California law was "illegal." It was discrimination pure and simple. Too bad you fail to see it. Show me where those who purchased land with caucasian names were illegal immigrants?

Both my parents were American citizens by birth; they could not buy land in California.

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NPR's Morning Edition today interviewed an economist/political scientist who has a novel idea which, by his own admission, is certain to rankle a lot of folks.
We have this huge glut of unsold homes hanging over the residential real estate market. We need to get them into the hands of owners.
We also have a large number of folks who are legally in the country, legally working. Many of them are researchers, professors, professionals with other (needed?) skills. They are reluctant or unable to purchase homes because they don't know how long they will be allowed to stay.
Why not allow those folks (say there are a million) to purchase a primary residence and occupy it for 5 years at which time they would be granted legal immigrant status and be on their way to becoming citizens.
Canada has such a program and (this I was not aware of) the U.S. has a program under which someone can come to this country, invest $1m in a start up business and hire 10 workers, that investor gets a bump up in the line towards becoming a legal immigrant.
You are more than welcome to go to npr.org to read/hear the story. I could well have some facts wrong.

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@realjohnboy,

rjb, Sounds like an excellent idea to me! It's somewhat similar to how communities in our area are building homes for teachers, because their salaries are not sufficient to buy homes at their income level, but we must still attract teachers to our area.

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@cicerone imposter,

There were Asian Exclusion laws that created the first illegal immigrants (who were, incidentally, Asian). This law was passed with vitriolic rhetoric decrying an "invasion" of Asian immigrants who were stealing jobs, committing crimes and spreading disease.

The Asian Exclusion law was passed in the late 1800s and made permanent in the 1924 immigration Act.

These laws specifically targeting Asians were undoubtedly racist-- yet they were never ruled unconstitutional. After all, as any of the anti-immigrant folks here will tell you, "we" (this pronoun is silly in this context) have the right to decide who we want to let in.

These laws were only changed when enough Americans decided that such racism was wrong (and changed them through their elected officials) .

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@ebrown p,

You're missing the whole point; it's against our Constitution and Bill of Rights. That "enough Americans can decide" about racism is baseless; the Constitution is the "law of the land."

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