What should be done about illegal immigration?

Tear down the fence between the CA and Mexico and the flood of drugs will get much, much, worse. The fence in Israel has been a huge success. It is imperfect, but nothing is perfect.

Well, that's nearly identical to what the GDR politicians said, over a long period of 28 years ...

(But it gave me at least some "adventures". )

Stll alive and kicking. Nice of you to ask. After my last brush with my maker I find it difficult to get back in the swing of things. Old age sucks

It isn't for sissies, that's for sure. But it does give us a perspective that those who have experienced history only in the history books will never have.

(As an aside, foxfyre, we didn't mean to lose you on the NFL Superbowl thread. I hope you can join us by, um, 45 minutes from now).

This may be a bit complicated for you, but the fence in Germany divided a single country. This is not so in Israel. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Well, I've lived here nearly 60 now, studied not only history at some universities here but poltical sciences as well.

It's not only complicated for me but totally unknown.

Thanks for the information.

NFL superbowl thread? What NFL superbowl thread. Will look for it and advise El Stud.

We forget that before 1848 the American southwest belonged to Mexico. With the signing of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Mexicans became
illegals.

I thought they all became US citizens when the land they stole from the Indians became part of the US.

Actually, roger, the land was stolen by the Spaniards already before 1821 - like the English etc stole it before the USA were formed.

Yeah, and I think the French were in there somehow, too.

We nearly could have stolen Venezuela (Holy Roman Emperor Charles V gave the sovereignty to the Welser family) ...

OK !

Good luck with that !




David

That started in 1528 but ended before it really became THE big deal in1556 with the death of Charles V.

Is this a joke?

Maybe its not too late; give it a shot.
See what happens.

I vest sovereignty over Venezuela in U, Walter.

That's right, Roger. Sloppy of me. I was just thinking that after we took the southwest from Mexico, Mexicans who are coming here now are no longer traveling within their country.
There IS some French involvement. Maximilian (sp?) must have left some of his staff and army in the New World upon his execution

That's right, Roger. Sloppy of me. I was just thinking that after we took the southwest from Mexico, Mexicans who are coming here now are no longer traveling within their country. We must keep in mind that most Mexicans are mestizos, an amalgam of Spanish and Indian. As such they are both the thieves and the victims of the Conquest (1521)
There IS some French involvement. Maximilian (sp?) must have left some of his staff and army in the New World upon his execution.

The population of the USA is swelling to an unsustainable size, and this is mostly the fault of immigration. We must stop the illegals from coming in and expell those already here. We should also reduce legal immigration.

For instance, the country is rapidly running out of clean water. Large parts of the country are expected to almost run dry by 2020. In some parts, supplies that go back to the ice age are rapidly being depleted, and cannot be replaced. There is no substitute. Thus, we must stop population growth as much as possible.

At any moment, the moron O'Bill will weigh in with his desalinization argument. He will cite SA, which gets much of its drinking water this way. However, drinking water is a tiny part of the water we need -- e.g., for sanitation, irrigation, industry, etc. He is also the jerk who said that the USA could easily accomodate billions more in population.