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Can you really prove your existence?

 
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:41 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
cogito ergo sum

I think, therefore I am.

Because the 'I' can question it's existance means the questioner must exist. It is implausible that a question can exist without a questioner.

René Descartes , man. The only french philosopher worth anything.

And how did Descartes know that there was an "I" to begin with?

Because the 'I' can question it's existence means the questioner (the 'I') must exist. It is implausible that a question can exist without a questioner.
Ask redundant questions much?
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:46 am
joefromchicago wrote:

Descartes can rightly be considered the first modern philosopher. He's not important because he had all the right answers (most of them turned out to be wrong), but because he asked all the right questions. Philosophers are still trying to answer them.

I am more of a Nietzsche/Wittgenstein guy, and I didn't claim decartes or anyone else had 'all the answers'.
However, nobody has been able to refute 'cogito ergo sum' in a convincing manner.
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:59 am
Doktor S wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
And how did Descartes know that there was an "I" to begin with?

Because the 'I' can question it's existence means the questioner (the 'I') must exist. It is implausible that a question can exist without a questioner.
Ask redundant questions much?

The relation of "questioner" and "question" is a logical relation. It is, in other words, the relation of ideas, not of things. To say that there is no question without a questioner is to say something that is logically true but empirically empty. Yet Descartes's object was to prove that he existed not as an idea but as a thing. Descartes could no more prove his own existence by relying upon the relationship of question and questioner than he could prove the existence of god by relying upon the relationship of idea and ideal.

Doktor S wrote:
I am more of a Nietzsche/Wittgenstein guy, and I didn't claim decartes or anyone else had 'all the answers'.
However, nobody has been able to refute 'cogito ergo sum' in a convincing manner.

That post was not directed to you, it was directed to crayon851. Not everything is about you, Dok.
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 02:02 pm
I say I exist...that's enough proof for me. If you have read this, why then you have confirmed that I exist.
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