John Creasy wrote:
Why do so many atheists come out of the woodwork to confront anybody that questions them? Why are you so adamant about there being no God? Sounds like you are the ones preaching. I find it ironic that there are more atheists than theists on a spirituality forum.
In case you hadn't noticed, this is a debate forum. Did you really expect to be able to assert that atheists lives' are pointless and have everyone agree with you?
As far as love is concerned, it is against nature. If we are simply evolutionary animals then survival of the fittest is how we should live right?
Love is not against nature. The limbic system in mammalian brains naturally produces emotions. Cooperation, care for young, and reciprocal altruism are valuable traits for animals that live in societies, so those individuals possessing them are more fit than those who lack them.
I was just wondering out loud how if there is no God, than why don't we live more like the animals we are? Why the morals?
We do live like the animals we are. We are intelligent animals who have discovered that rules of behavior are necessary for living in society. Some systems of rules work better than others, and those societies tend to thrive, expand, and assimilate their neighbors (either by conquering them or less violent means such as trade and marriage). The carrot/stick method of promising people eternity in paradise for being "good" and eternal damnation for breaking the rules seems to be popular.
So empathy and love are a product of evolution? What nonsense.
It is not nonsense. Do you know anything about brains, comparative biology, biochemistry, psychology, anthropology, or any other sciences? I can provide links, but need to know your level of understanding.
What is nonsense is believing that a "perfect" supernatural being created us and endowed us with hatred, greed, lust, spite, and all of then other negative emotions, but rejects us unless we believe that he had his son killed as a sacrifice to himself to save us from himself, because otherwise he would be unable to stop himself from punishing us for all eternity for having the sinful human natures with which we were born.
So is it ok to kill if my instinct compels me to?? If I have a strong lust for a woman, is it ok to rape her because my instinct is urging me to have her??? These are animal instincts, we all have them deep down. Why not act on them??
Enlightened people control their instincts because they do not wish to harm other beings. Less enlightened people restrain themselves out of fear of being caught and punished, if not by the police or kin of the victims, then by some supernatural bogeyman.