just to remind georgeob about his initial discussions (after his diversionary "historical context" post
I suspect those in the Federal government dealing with the Katrina disaster do believe they know what they are doing.
So did captain William
Smith and Joseph Hazelwood.
Since this was my post, I chose to concentrate on the failures of an easily identifiable target. You disagreed in some initial sort of "historical context" post that GWB was not any more incompetent than a few others whose relationships to the present disaster were not established or even opened for discussion.
George-I think I know that your opinions are "my President right or wrong" and youve been flinging semi insults about and Ive tried not to be disrepectful of my elders, but you can get rather amusing in the way you argue.
1You are now , from some authority trying to establish that the J Bennett should not have been updated from its original waterway. You realize that youre talking about the RED RIVER. The waterway is the RED River. Im sure the people of Denison and Shreeveport and Alexandria would like to understand your reasons for stating that this area , is, by its very existence part of the problem when you and I know that the Red River predated the Pleistocene let alone J Bennett Johnston.
AS for New Orleans,Sediment starvation is the major problem of the disappearance of the protective barrier islands, the old hardwood forests and the tidal wetlands that were once situate SW of New Orleans. Letting the J Bennett revert to snags and moving distributaries ND UNMAPPABLE OX-BOW LAKES IS UNACCEPTABLE LAND MANAGEMENT and nothing to do with New Orleans. However to let it revert back to snag lakes and moving oxbowswould now be stupid. AsThere are tens of thousands of acres of woodlands and farmland which would be changing boundariess and getting wiped out by snag floodsand this would also affect the Atchafalaya cuttoff, which, if reverted to a natural state, would capture ALL the Mississippi and leave New Orleans off the Miss waterwayentirely.
I know you cant back up the "economic C/B analysis" on the J Bennett , mostly cause you havent even begun to recognize the interconnecting return values on the projects life. (and it does have a finite life)
AS far as my contempt of GWB and his "robbing the completion funds from SELA and putting it to Iraq", thats not even under debate by smart folks. HEs royally f**ked up on this and will have to answer to the US in toto, Im sure he will have his staunch supporters like Rush and the other rightwing talking heads.
Anyway The breach of the lakeside levees was not about sediment starvation. It was about overtopping levees that were sinking and not refurbished. If you understand that link I gave you then you know that the Answer is a complex of individual interlaced projects that will include a number of sub projects, like
Levee rebuilding on the river and lake side
(and I ve added the seagate language from a series of seminars I attended at Tulane in the 90s). A seagate (movable levee top) would be a long term solution because its worked elswhere in the world
Sediment nourishment to create barrier islands in frront of hardwood forest benches and these all inland from new wetlands.
Most of the crescent side of New Orleans is above water where the business district, the Garden district and the French Quareter are, and, would be dry (is dry now, pretty much). The Meterie and lakeside parrishes are under water and with about 15 billion (about a few months expenditure in Iraq) this can be done. If it isnt done then New Orleans should reconsider its future.
The entire Federal funding of a Coastline restoration project is in the hands of the FEDS (as I said) not the state or locals.
Im critical of the mayor of NewOrleans for putting the people IN harms way by using the SUperdome. I thgink the governors failure to mobilize the national guard was inexcusable. the failure of the mayor to find the needed drivers to bus the people out is a lame excuse on his behalf.
HOWEVER, thats nothing to do with the entire flood proofing of the entire city. That was a Federal, COE, and should have been on FEMAS radar since they had the project funded completely and, to back it upthey had the "Hurricane PAm" scenario a year earlier and, . The feds had been harangued for at least25 years about the sediment renourshment projects
Im quite familiar with the report in the link I sent you. In those reports, everyone gets a bite at the apple, and some people get many bites at the wording. Those type reports (and even the Hurricane Pam reports) are usually done by consultants who take the data and massage it and they will say most anything that their clients wish them to say(if they wish to continue doing work)
Im home now, and Ive got all my resources and notes and stuff in a nice library office. I dont throw stuff away and Ive got more stuff on the hydrology of the Miss than youd want to see. So, if my memory fails me, I can dip into the well of printed and cached materials. Overall, I dont think I need the cute little admonitions of what or not to read and how to do my own analysis. Im talking as an ex citizen of the Garden District and Im pissed at how we've let this city down by what?