Material Girl said:
"Part of the problem is the church's emphasis on punishment and sin rather than on inclusion and community."
Huh? I would have believed the Catholic Church has far more of an emphasis on redemption and forgiveness than, for instance, a number of rigid protestant sects, including those charmers which believe in pre-destination!!!
The Reformers believe in the Birth type of pre-destination, otherwise most Protestants believe that God knows when you decide to be his follower.
(Occ: Material Girl, that reminds me, gotta remind my Buttler "Alfred" to wait for the FED EX Man to deliver that Dimond Tiara from Althorp. I'll need it for, "Diana's Contiuing Work Charity Ball." Now, let's see what # should I Sleep on tonight. )