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Should DeLay resign

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 10:17 am
DeLay Defiant Over Ethics Allegations

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By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defiance defines House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who has three lawyers, one crisis consultant with Justice Department experience and a new support group of conservative activists as he tries to survive allegations of ethical misconduct.

"He is the number one enemy to the liberal syndicate," says supporter Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, arguing that Democratic political attacks are to blame for the Texas lawmaker's difficulties.

"The assertions (against DeLay) are serious, they are ongoing," House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland countered on Tuesday. "I think the public is not going to let this go."

Whatever the view, Republican lawmakers and their aides say that the House GOP rank and file will ultimately control DeLay's political fate. If they decide that defending him comes at too great a political cost to themselves, they will act accordingly, whether or not he is charged with a crime, these Republicans say. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the subject.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEFIANT_DELAY?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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A six-day trip to Moscow in 1997 by then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) was underwritten by business interests lobbying in support of the Russian government, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the trip arrangements.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28319-2005Apr5.html?referrer=email

Based upon DeLay's ethics or lack thereof. Should be called upon to resign.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:30 am
Of course
Of course he should resign. He has violated all the conservative principles he espouses except in the religious arena. He's a big government, influence peddling politician who insists on judicial activism when it suits his needs, which is funny because before he was born again, he was against big government. He ran for election to the Texas house as a canidate against excessive government regulation.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 12:11 pm
I say let him stay. He's an ongoing disaster for the party in power. The longer he's there, the more his dishonesty and thievery will be revealed.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 12:12 pm
Re: Of course
engineer wrote:
Of course he should resign. He has violated all the conservative principles he espouses except in the religious arena. He's a big government, influence peddling politician who insists on judicial activism when it suits his needs, which is funny because before he was born again, he was against big government. He ran for election to the Texas house as a canidate against excessive government regulation.


Plus, the Democrats don't like him.....
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 12:15 pm
You say that like it's a bad thing, Tico... :wink:
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 12:45 pm
Step back and look at it from an employer point of view. Since we the people employ our representatives, I think it's a fair way to take out the partisan attacks.

Now say Delay is your employee. Several other employees come to you with serious allegations of wrong doing, including accepting gifts from clients, which is against company policy.

How do you react when you call Delay into your office to discuss the allegations and he claims that the other employees are just out to get him cause they don't like him and probably are just saying this because they want his office?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 12:48 pm
I think you investigate the matter. You then decide whether the results of the investigation warrant taking further action, and what that action might be. You don't fire him, or ask for his resignation, just because the other employees make the allegations, or because the newspapers are running stories about the allegations.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:02 pm
But, you've already checked and yes, the bookkeeper has noted that several receipts were turned in for foreign travel that correspond with the allegations, but certainly no where near enough to account for the trips total cost. That's just one example, you've also looked into other information that indicates what the other employees claim is actually true.

Also, you've spoken to some of the clients involved and they indicate a fondness for Delay, really talk him up.

Now what?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:04 pm
You wait until he's led off in handcuffs, trying vainly to shield his face from the popping flashbulbs...
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:06 pm
Yes .. you wait for the perp walk.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:17 pm
Um, you are the employer. It's up to you to pursue the perp walk.

I think what those in charge of making the decision of what to do with Delay are torn between the company policy,employee moral, and of course, the bottom line of the "company" as represented by the clients.

To me, there should be no question of what's the right thing to do. For those currently responsible for deciding the right thing, there seems to be some convolutedness.
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rodeman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:43 pm
Someone show "Hot Tub Tom" the door.............On the other hand, he can be counted on for great entertainment.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 01:45 pm
Re: Of course
Ticomaya wrote:
engineer wrote:
Of course he should resign. He has violated all the conservative principles he espouses except in the religious arena. He's a big government, influence peddling politician who insists on judicial activism when it suits his needs, which is funny because before he was born again, he was against big government. He ran for election to the Texas house as a canidate against excessive government regulation.


Plus, the Democrats don't like him.....


My guess is that alot of Republicans don't like him either now. Too much baggage and liability, and he sounded like such an absolute fool during the Terri Shiavo neocon propagandist stunt. Which is probably why he'll resign. You know, spend more time with the family... :wink:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:07 pm
squinney wrote:
Um, you are the employer. It's up to you to pursue the perp walk.

I think what those in charge of making the decision of what to do with Delay are torn between the company policy,employee moral, and of course, the bottom line of the "company" as represented by the clients.

To me, there should be no question of what's the right thing to do. For those currently responsible for deciding the right thing, there seems to be some convolutedness.


As I said, you take whatever action is warranted. If the allegations don't rise to the level of firing, you take no action. Some folks just like to accuse.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:08 pm
He doesn't seem like someone who would give up the goose that lays the golden eggs very easily.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:14 pm
squinney wrote:
Um, you are the employer. It's up to you to pursue the perp walk.

I think what those in charge of making the decision of what to do with Delay are torn between the company policy,employee moral, and of course, the bottom line of the "company" as represented by the clients.To me, there should be no question of what's the right thing to do. For those currently responsible for deciding the right thing, there seems to be some convolutedness.


If he's benefitting the company, he will be kept because the employers are as rotten to the core as he is. In fact, that's why he's representing them.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:19 pm
Remember he is from Tuches I mean Texas as is his fearless leader. It must be the water.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:30 pm
Even the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, one of the most conservative groups of editors in the country, is offended by the excesses of Tom DeLay. They wrote on March 28, "Mr. DeLay, who rode to power in 1994 on a wave of revulsion at the everyday ways of big government, has become the living exemplar of some of its worst habits."
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 02:45 pm
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"Mr. DeLay, who rode to power in 1994 on a wave of revulsion at the everyday ways of big government, has become the living exemplar of some of its worst habits."


Now, whether the WSJ keeps this an isolated incident or decides to actually LOOK at the myriad corrupt Republican cronies currently in power, this will be nothing more than WSJ washing their hands clean of a bottom dwelling former cockroach hunter who is obviously going down relatively soon.

If the neocons start turning on you, then it's pretty much over for DeLay, IMO.

Hey, speaking of cockroaches; if you shoot one at the top of the screen, you get a free plasma tv!!

Thanx Tom!!
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 07:37 am
OP-ED COLUMNIST

The Passion of the Tom

By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: April 7, 2005


WASHINGTON

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Before, Republicans just scared other people. Now, they're starting to scare themselves.

When Dick Cheney tells you you've gone too far, you know you're way over the edge.

Last week, the vice president told The New York Post's editorial board that Tom DeLay should not have jumped ugly on the judges who refused to order that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted. He said he would "have problems" with the DeLay plan to get revenge on the judges: "I don't think that's appropriate."

Usually, the White House loves bullies. It embraces John Bolton, nominated as U.N. ambassador, even though, as The Times reports today, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is reviewing allegations that Mr. Bolton misused intelligence and bullied subordinates to help buttress W.M.D. hokum when he was at State.

But there's some skittishness in the party leadership about the Passion of the Tom, the fiery battle of the born-again Texan to show that he's being persecuted on ethics by a vast left-wing conspiracy. Some Republicans are wondering whether they need to pull a Trent Lott on Tom DeLay before he turns into Newt Gingrich, who led his party to the promised land but then had to be discarded when he became the petulant "definer" and "arouser" of civilization. Do they want Mr. DeLay careering around in Queeg style as they go into 2006?

On Tuesday, Bill Frist joined Mr. Cheney in rejecting Mr. DeLay's call to punish and possibly impeach judges - who are already an endangered species these days, with so much violence leveled against them. "I believe we have a fair and independent judiciary today," Dr. Frist said. "I respect that."

Of course, Dr. Frist and the White House still want to pack the federal courts with right-wing judges, but they don't want it to look as if they're doing it because Tom DeLay told them to or because of unhappiness at the Schiavo case.

No matter how much Democrats may be caviling over the House Republicans' attempts to squelch the Ethics Committee before it goes after Mr. DeLay (the former exterminator who pushed to impeach Bill Clinton), privately they're rooting for Mr. DeLay to thrive. They're hoping to do in 2006 what the Republicans did in 1994, when Mr. Gingrich and his acolytes used Democratic arrogance and ethical lapses to seize the House.

Mr. DeLay is seeking sanctuary in Rome at the pope's funeral, and he will hang on to the bitter end. He got thunderous applause from his House colleagues yesterday morning, showing once more that Mr. DeLay, the House majority leader, has a strong hold on the loyalty of those who have benefited from the largesse of his fat-cat friends and from his shrewdness in keeping them in the majority.

"I think a lot of members think he's taking arrows for all of us," Representative Roy Blunt told the press yesterday, backing up Mr. DeLay's martyr complex.

Mr. DeLay lashed out at the latest article questioning his ethics, calling it "just another seedy attempt by the liberal media to embarrass me." Philip Shenon reported in The Times that Mr. DeLay's wife and daughter have been paid more than half a million dollars since 2001 by the DeLay political action and campaign committees.

Republican family values.

The political action committee said in a statement that the DeLay family members provided valuable services: "Mrs. DeLay provides big picture, long-term strategic guidance and helps with personnel decisions."

Political wives are renowned for injecting themselves into the middle of their husbands' office politics at no charge; a lot of members would pay them to go away.

The Washington Post also splashed Mr. DeLay on the front page with an article about a third DeLay trip under scrutiny: a six-day trip to Moscow in 1997 by Mr. DeLay was "underwritten by business interests lobbying in support of the Russian government, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the trip arrangements."

All the divisions that President Bush was able to bridge in 2004 are now bursting forth as different wings of his party joust. John Danforth, the former Republican senator and U.N. ambassador, wrote an Op-Ed piece in The Times last week saying that, on issues from stem cell research to Terri Schiavo, his party "has gone so far in adopting a sectarian agenda that it has become the political extension of a religious movement."

When the Rev. Danforth, an Episcopal minister who prayed with Clarence Thomas when he was under attack by Anita Hill, says the party has gone too far, it's way over the edge.
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