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Florida to end "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator profs"

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 05:04 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Can anyone provide anecdotal evidence said liberal inflitration of post secondary institutions and explain the negative repurcussions that a student may incur as a learner?
....and maybe comment on when and how a right-leaning professor is immune to such biases? or that their right wing biases are somehow separate and unique from those put forth by the left?

I've been instructed by both.
I'm anxious to hear comments.

Diversity of Everything but Thought

Quite the read....
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 05:40 pm
I always had problems believing the Quadratic Formula. I simply refuse to accept that it gives the true roots of a second order polynomial.

My professors would never take my objections seriously. Should I sue?
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 06:09 pm
Take a gander at some of the complaints posted by students ....

It's a looooong list so take your time: HERE

Also check out the Foundation for Individual Rights in Higher Education (FIRE): HERE
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:58 pm
I guess what I could filter out from the dozens of threads I read was that anything that takes a "liberal turn" (empathy for race, social status, gender, differences of any sort, alternate opinions of history as it was written by the victors, an "out of the box" methodology or delivery, an expression or conveyance of thought that differed from responding student....etc. etc.) is perceived as a negative educational slant.

Fait enough.
But I don't think these righties would have complained about an equally right leaning bias n'est pas?

If you have somehow found your way to a College or University, I think you should personally have a method in place for dealing with biases, opinions, and lessons that do not cohere with your social, political or moral values.

I managed through undergrad and grad school with the lefties and the righties educating me...and managed to avoid litigation for someone else exercising their freedom of thought, expression and education.

Seems the right has a real tough time allowing the left to express themselves (as they do in their media outlets, instiitutions and socio-political infrastructure ) and seek judicial intervention to further their agenda.
We see it throughout every facet of American society...ironically, since Bush Jr. assumed his role in the play.

It's a rather tiring double standard...but I can live with it because, although not the smartes tool in the shed, I can make up my own mind when fed different facts, theories and information.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:17 am
Fedral wrote:
Take a gander at some of the complaints posted by students ....

It's a looooong list so take your time: HERE

Also check out the Foundation for Individual Rights in Higher Education (FIRE): HERE

I don't think we need a link to a couple of websites to know that college students complain about their professors.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:19 am
oh woe is me unto the poor down trodden conservatives. so sad. they have no control over anything.

uhh, except;

the whitehouse
the state department
department of justice
the dod
all of the other cabinet posts
both houses of congress
over half of the gubernatorial seats
the office of the intelligence tsar
the cia
the fbi
a whole slew of other alphabet shadow agencies
homeland security
the ambassador to the un
the ambassador to iraq, etc.
the #%&()*&@ fcc Laughing
talk radio
talk television
primetime television
commercial radio
etc.

and now they are being "abused" by liberal thoughts at primary schools and universities. poor, poor conservatives. life must be a living hell for these oppressed folks.

oh, well. there's still bob jones university and liberty college.

go there...
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:29 am
Say, anyone of you promulgating a crackdown on "pinko" professors taken a class in the last 5 years?I have. At the University of Florida. Heres their degree programs

Accounting
Fisher School of Accounting


Graphic Design
College of Fine Arts

Advertising
College of Journalism and Communications


Health Science
College of Public Health and Health Professions

Aerospace Engineering
College of Engineering


Health Education and Behavior
College of Health & Human Performance

Agricultural and Biological Engineering
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
College of Engineering


History
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Agricultural Education and Communication
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Horticultural Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Agricultural Operations Management
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Industrial and Systems Engineering
College of Engineering

Animal Sciences
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Interdisciplinary Studies
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences - college section
College of Engineering - college section
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences - college section

Anthropology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Interior Design
College of Design, Construction and Planning

Architecture
College of Design, Construction and Planning


Jewish Studies
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Art
College of Fine Arts


Journalism
College of Journalism and Communications

Art Education
College of Fine Arts


Landscape Architecture
College of Design, Construction and Planning

Art History
College of Fine Arts


Linguistics
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

African and Asian Languages and Literatures
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Management
Warrington College of Business Administration

Astronomy
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Marketing
Warrington College of Business Administration

Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Materials Science and Engineering
College of Engineering

Botany
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Mathematics
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Building Construction
M.E. Rinker Sr. School of Building Construction


Mechanical Engineering
College of Engineering

Business Administration, General Studies
Warrington College of Business Administration


Microbiology and Cell Science
College of Agricultural and Life Science
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Chemical Engineering
College of Engineering


Music
College of Fine Arts

Chemistry
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Music Education
College of Fine Arts

Civil Engineering
College of Engineering


Natural Resource Conservation
School of Forest Resources and Conservation

Classical Studies
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Nuclear Engineering
College of Engineering

Communication Sciences and Disorders
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Nuclear Engineering Sciences
College of Engineering

Computer and Information Sciences
Warrington College of Business Administration


Nursing
College of Nursing

Computer Science
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Packaging Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Computer Engineering
College of Engineering


Philosophy
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Creative Photography
College of Fine Arts


Physics
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Criminology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Plant Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Dance
College of Fine Arts


Political Science
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Decision and Information Sciences
Warrington College of Business Administration


Portuguese
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Digital Arts and Sciences
College of Engineering
College of Fine Arts


Pre-Occupational Therapy
College of Public Health and Health Professions

Economics
Warrington College of Business Administration
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Pre-Pharmacy
College of Pharmacy

Education, Early Childhood/Pre-K Handicapped
College of Education


Pre-Physical Therapy
College of Public Health and Health Professions

Education, Elementary
College of Education


Psychology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Electrical Engineering
College of Engineering


Public Relations
College of Journalism and Communications

English
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Recreation, Parks and Tourism
College of Health and Human Performance

Entomology and Nematology
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Rehabilitative Services
College of Public Health and Health Professions

Environmental Engineering
College of Engineering


Religion
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Environmental Science
School of Natural Resources and Environment


Russian
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Exercise and Sport Science
College of Health and Human Performance


Sociology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Family, Youth and Community Sciences
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Soil and Water Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Finance
Warrington College of Business Administration


Spanish
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Fire and Emergency Services
M.E. Rinker Sr. School of Building Construction


Statistics
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Food and Resource Economics
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Telecommunication
College of Journalism and Communications

Food Science and Human Nutrition
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences


Theatre Performance
College of Fine Arts

Forest Resources and Conservation
School of Forest Resources and Conservation


Theatre Production
College of Fine Arts

French
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Turfgrass Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Geography
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Wildlife Ecology and Conservation
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

Geological Sciences
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Women's Studies
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

Geomatics
College of Engineering


Zoology
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

German
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences


Where are these brainwashers hiding? In the Turfgrass program?
Perhaps a couple of them in the History program or Women's Studies...but for God's sakes. Why tear up a fine University to perform a modern day Inquisition? I don't get it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:31 am
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oh, well. there's still bob jones university and liberty college.

go there...


Can't go to the second one; liberty sounds far too much like liberal, yaknow?

Cheers

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:33 am
Where are they hiding? Maybe under that rock with Al Gore and John Kerry? Anybody seen them lately?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 11:34 am
They can't crack the whole separation of church and state thing.

So they're taking a stab at the educational system.

After all:

1. Universities receive money from the government.
2. Republicans are in the majority

QED

(Actually, only the second point really matters.)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 02:49 pm
Here is the significant text from Florida HB-837. What specifically is the offending language of this proposed bill?

Quote:

106 Section 1. Subsection (7) is added to section 1002.21,
107 Florida Statutes, to read:
108 1002.21 Postsecondary student and parent rights.--
109 (7) STUDENT ACADEMIC FREEDOM.--As detailed in s. 1004.09,
110 students have rights to a learning environment in which they
111 have access to a broad range of serious scholarly opinion, to be
112 graded without discrimination on the basis of their political or
113 religious beliefs, and to a viewpoint-neutral distribution of
114 student fee funds.
115 Section 2. Section 1004.09, Florida Statutes, is created
116 to read:
117 1004.09 Postsecondary student and faculty academic bill of
118 rights.--
119 (1) Students have a right to expect a learning environment
120 in which they will have access to a broad range of serious
121 scholarly opinion pertaining to the subjects they study. In the
122 humanities, the social sciences, and the arts, the fostering of
123 a plurality of serious scholarly methodologies and perspectives
124 should be a significant institutional purpose.
125 (2) Students have a right to expect that they will be
126 graded solely on the basis of their reasoned answers and
127 appropriate knowledge of the subjects they study and that they
128 will not be discriminated against on the basis of their
129 political or religious beliefs.
130 (3) Students have a right to expect that their academic
131 freedom and the quality of their education will not be infringed
132 upon by instructors who persistently introduce controversial
133 matter into the classroom or coursework that has no relation to
134 the subject of study and serves no legitimate pedagogical
135 purpose.
136 (4) Students have a right to expect that freedom of
137 speech, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom
138 of conscience of students and student organizations will not be
139 infringed upon by postsecondary administrators, student
140 government organizations, or institutional policies, rules, or
141 procedures.
142 (5) Students have a right to expect that their academic
143 institutions will distribute student fee funds on a viewpoint-
144 neutral basis and will maintain a posture of neutrality with
145 respect to substantive political and religious disagreements,
146 differences, and opinions.
147 (6) Faculty and instructors have a right to academic
148 freedom in the classroom in discussing their subjects, but they
149 should make their students aware of serious scholarly viewpoints
150 other than their own and should encourage intellectual honesty,
151 civil debate, and critical analysis of ideas in the pursuit of
152 knowledge and truth.
153 (7) Faculty and instructors have a right to expect that
154 they will be hired, fired, promoted, and granted tenure on the
155 basis of their competence and appropriate knowledge in their
156 fields of expertise and will not be hired, fired, denied
157 promotion, or denied tenure on the basis of their political or
158 religious beliefs.
159 (8) Faculty and instructors have a right to expect that
160 they will not be excluded from tenure, search, or hiring
161 committees on the basis of their political or religious beliefs.
162 (9) Students, faculty, and instructors have a right to be
163 fully informed of their rights and their institution's grievance
164 procedures for violations of academic freedom by means of
165 notices prominently displayed in course catalogs and student
166 handbooks and on the institutional website.


LINK
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 02:52 pm
The right of students to expect they will be graded solely on merit; and not discriminated against on the basis of their political or religious beliefs. What a novel concept!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 03:17 pm
but do we really need yet another law that permits people to tie up the courts over a percieved slight or hurt feelings ?

i thought we we trying to downsize the number of lawsuits.

i haven't really seen any credible reports of students being discriminated against over their values by liberal educators.

although i did have a redneck teacher bounce me off of the lockers a few times in highschool because he didn't like longhairs. if i can deal with that without calling out the lawyers, others can survive hearing something they don't agree with or dislike.

our country is turning into a nation of drama queens... Laughing
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 03:18 pm
Seems pretty vague to me...

Quote:
130 (3) Students have a right to expect that their academic
131 freedom and the quality of their education will not be infringed
132 upon by instructors who persistently introduce controversial
133 matter into the classroom or coursework that has no relation to
134 the subject of study and serves no legitimate pedagogical
135 purpose.

Who defines controversial? Persistently? Who decides if there is a legitimate purpose?

Quote:
147 (6) Faculty and instructors have a right to academic
148 freedom in the classroom in discussing their subjects, but they
149 should make their students aware of serious scholarly viewpoints
150 other than their own and should encourage intellectual honesty,
151 civil debate, and critical analysis of ideas in the pursuit of
152 knowledge and truth.

Who decides if a viewpoint is scholarly? Or serious?

Note: I do not take Gungasnake seriously but he sure seems to....

To quote Chandler from Friends, "...can open... worms everywhere!"
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 04:38 pm
Also, I think the original article listed a number of valid concerns....

Do you wish to address them?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:20 pm
good post panzade. The course catalog looks like a hotbed of controversy. Especially that damn ocean engineering, damn pinko sonar scans
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:57 pm
It is likely that the student answering "The Bible tells me so." to a number of questions on the Philosophy 101 course final will get a F. At least that was the way it was in 1972 at the University of Tulsa. Her name, if I remember correctly, was Lisa and she hated the course. So did I, but for a completely different reason. The professor kept saying "So do you see his gambit?" and I didn't. She was a sweet girl, the student, not the professor, Lisa or maybe Elise, I really do forget, except that I learned something. Sometimes you don't get what you paid for, even when it's tuition money.

I learned something else. I was a consumer. So, yes, it was me who organized the student strike in the Communications department in the fall of 1973. (They had torn down the Communication Building, the venerable Kendall Hall, and were building another but during construction had abandoned the students to wherever and whatever facilities could be found.) Suddenly, (I love the effect of a cold water bath - Ah Hah! student requesting transfers to other institutions- translation: no tuition money.) internships at the various local radio and television stations appeared out of nowhere. AND other instruction was localized in one building (the Health Studies Building) for the following two years until the new Kendall Hall was completed.


I had an interesting time at the U of Tulsa. I had professors and instructors who held ideas diametrically opposed to everything I has ever learned, (I listened mostly) and a couple who inspired me to think beyond anything I had ever dreamed. (I dreamed) I got my money's worth. So did Lisa or Elise, she got by by transferring to Nursing which is how I met her. She dropped the Philosophy minor because she wanted to keep her worldview intact. She did not sue that "Do you see his gambit?" professor but I wish I had studied more in his class. Maybe I would have.

Joe(You're buying what the Professor knows, not what you want to learn)Nation
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 06:37 pm
farmerman wrote:
good post panzade. The course catalog looks like a hotbed of controversy. Especially that damn ocean engineering, damn pinko sonar scans


The problem is you guys are only looking at the courses that are being offered and not the teachers themselves. Of course you are going to have many classes that are not hotbeds themselves but it is the teachers that are the hotbeds. There will always be those classes that will create issues, but that doesn't mean students should be graded for their opinions.

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Chilling for thee, but not for me

Jonah Goldberg (archive)

February 11, 2005

If you're a liberal who's still moping like a dog whose food bowl has been moved, thanks to all the conservative victories of late, I have some words of encouragement for you: You guys are still way, way smarter than us about some things.

Consider the current flap about Ward Churchill and the recent one about Harvard President Larry Summers.

Ward Churchill, as you've probably heard, is a tenured professor of "ethnic studies" at the University of Colorado. Until recently he was the chairman of the department. When invited to another school to give a talk, it came out that he had written an essay comparing the civilian victims of 9/11 to "little Eichmanns." This was a reference to Adolf Eichmann, the chief architect of the Holocaust.

Known for making factually unencumbered statements about the evils of America, Churchill recently gave an interview in which he said he wanted the "U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether." He thinks "more 9/11s" are necessary. He holds no Ph.D., and his scholarship - for want of a better word - is under relentless attack. Before the current kerfuffle, he'd attained whatever prominence he had by pretending he was an American Indian radical. He likes to pose with assault rifles. The Rocky Mountain News did a genealogical search of Churchill's past and found that he's basically a vanilla white guy playing Indian and enriching himself in the process. The American Indian Movement called Churchill a fraud years ago.

OK, flash back to the hysteria over Larry Summers. By now his auto da fé is old news. But let's recap. One of the most respected economists in America, president of Harvard University, and the former Secretary of the Treasury, Summers was invited to a closed-door, off-the-record academic conference at which everyone was encouraged to think unconventionally. Warning his audience several times that he was going to be deliberately "provocative," he suggested that there might be some innate cognitive differences between men and women.

This is not a controversial hypothesis in macroeconomics, and it is losing its taboo status in psychology, genetics and neuroscience. Thousands of peer-reviewed academic papers have been written on the differences between men and woman when it comes to various cognitive functions. Note I said "differences." Superiority and inferiority don't play into it, and Summers never said otherwise. Indeed, he ventured this hypothesis, after showing his obeisance to the more politically correct explanations: discrimination, not enough effort to recruit women, etc., etc.

So what was the reaction?

An MIT feminist biologist - who moonlights as a feminist activist - quickly got the vapors and stormed out of the room for fear of fainting. If she stayed any longer, she explained, she'd vomit. Derrick Jackson of the Boston Globe compared Summers to people who cavalierly bandy about the N-word or who thoughtlessly wear swastikas. One hundred members of the Harvard faculty drafted a letter demanding that he apologize. The National Organization for Women demanded that he resign.

The dean of engineering at the University of Washington called his comments "an intellectual tsunami." Since the Asian catastrophe had only just transpired, the tastelessness of the metaphor may not be as apparent now as it was then. Regardless, if his comments were a tsunami, Summers' critics have certainly cashed in on disaster relief effort.

Forced to apologize over and over, Summers was then bullied into appointing not one but two new "task forces" on gender equity. Staffed with 22 women and five men, the task forces will no doubt discover that much more work needs to be done and that Summers should apologize more.

In the Summers affair, free speech and academic freedom barely came up, except among a few conservative commentators and one or two academics who were already known for their political incorrectness. Instead, Summers was a pinata to be bashed for material rewards and to send the message that some subjects are simply taboo even among serious scholars, no matter what the evidence, in closed-door, off-the-record meetings.

Meanwhile, Ward Churchill, whose scholarship is a joke, whose evidence is tendentious at best, and who called the victims of 9/11 the moral equivalent of a man who sent babies to the gas chambers, is a hero of free speech. He has refused to apologize. Many conservatives are forced to defend free speech and "diversity" in academia while liberals let the NOWers feed on Summers' flesh.

Liberals may despise what Churchill said, but it's a matter of principle now. The normally insightful and fair Mort Kondracke declared on Fox News, "I really think it's useful for universities to have people like this around, to show students and the rest of us just how odious some of the ideas of the far left are." Would Kondracke punt on a professor who endorsed slavery? I somehow doubt it.

Hopefully - and, I think, probably - someone will find enough academic fraud to fire Churchill for cause. No doubt, we'll hear from many on the left about the "chilling effect" such a move would have on "academic freedom," and many conservatives will clear their throats in embarrassment. You really have to marvel how the other side has mastered this game.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...g20050211.shtml
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:49 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
The right of students to expect they will be graded solely on merit; and not discriminated against on the basis of their political or religious beliefs. What a novel concept!


I know my profs always asked my political and religious orientation.
WTF?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:59 pm
Quote:
Students have a right to expect a learning environment
in which they will have access to a broad range of serious
scholarly opinion pertaining to the subjects they study. In the
humanities, the social sciences, and the arts, the fostering of
a plurality of serious scholarly methodologies and perspectives
should be a significant institutional purpose.


...I don't normally attribute "broad range of opinion" or "plurality of perspectives" to the right...given the general opinions the right has on gays, ethnic/visible minorities, religion, politics, women's roles, and moral issues.
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