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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:06 am
@parados,
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The starting wage for union auto workers was $15.78 in 2011. That doesn't include benefits which probably push it up to about $27.


not very impressive. The old guard makes north of $50 using that number, public school teachers make near $100k a year, for 9.5 months of work.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:22 am
@hawkeye10,
Hey idiot, no comparison between a "teacher" and a production worker. Also, I'm not sure how you arrived at the wages for teachers; it's nowhere nears $100k/year.
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_211.60.asp
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He has been taking lessons from CJ.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 06:06 pm
@RABEL222,
Seems they went to the same 'school.'
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I guess it depends on what "make" means.

Even in NY (#1 on the list), teachers average less than $100,000 in salary, but when the value of their benefits are added to their salary, their total compensation exceeds $100,000.

I have found reports that indicate teacher benefits (across the nation) range between 32% and 54% of salaries. So total compensation, on average, is near or in excess of $100,000 in quite a number of states.

The bottom line is that teachers' wages are roughly equal to comparable private sector jobs, while the value of their benefits is significantly higher.

Most workers would like a bigger paycheck and I don't blame teachers for wanting the same, but the notion that they are selflessly toiling away "for the children" while being grossly underpaid is nonsense. Their best shot at commanding higher wages is to allow for a greater degree of distinction based on performance, but they're not interested in giving up security for the risk and reward involved in true performance based pay.

Teaching isn't the only profession in which its practitioners feel under appreciated, but teachers have managed to render their resentment into conventional wisdom.


Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 12:26 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
When was the last time you really thanked the tech support person on the other end of a phone? This isn't address to you directly Finn, it's more of a general question to everyone. You want to talk about under appreciated...
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:20 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
The starting wage for union auto workers was $15.78 in 2011. That doesn't include benefits which probably push it up to about $27.


not very impressive. The old guard makes north of $50 using that number, public school teachers make near $100k a year, for 9.5 months of work.

Are you really going to make that idiotic claim?
Here are starting teacher salaries per state.
http://www.nea.org/home/2011-2012-average-starting-teacher-salary.html
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:29 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I have found reports that indicate teacher benefits (across the nation) range between 32% and 54% of salaries. So total compensation, on average, is near or in excess of $100,000 in quite a number of states.

Where did you learn math?

http://teach.com/why-teach/teacher-salary-benefits

Total benefits added about 32 percent to salaries, up from 25 percent in 1999–2000
http://educationnext.org/teacher-retirement-benefits/

The Dept of Ed lists 31% as the high end of benefits.

Even if we assume benefits are 50% of salary there are only a couple of states that get close to the $100,000 figure.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 12:27 pm
@parados,
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Total benefits added about 32 percent to salaries, up from 25 percent in 1999–2000

Heritage says 41%
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/10/assessing-the-compensation-of-public-school-teachers

WP says the average teacher in my state makes $53,570
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/12/15/how-much-teachers-get-paid-state-by-state/

53.5 x .41 = 22 +53.5 =75.5

And while Heritage makes what seems to be a good point that not all of the retirement bennies are factored into the government data this still leaves us a bit short of $100,000
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jul, 2014 02:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawk, You really don't know much, do you? That 41% includes Paid Leave - which falls short of Private Workers. Paid Leave is already calculated in their wages/salaries. That also includes Legally Required Benefits. So net 'real' benefit cost is 27.2%.

http://www.heritage.org/~/media/images/reports/2011/10/cda%2011%2003/cdateachercompensationtable5.ashx?w=400&h=402&as=1
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 12:14 pm
I find great irony in the GOP's attempts to make Obama a failed president. They have done everything in their power to stop legislation to increase jobs, and yet, the stock market has grown over 2,400 points in the last 52 weeks, a 16% growth! That's funny, if you think about it. Mr. Green

Builder
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
Is the fed reserve still tossing 35 billion at Wall street every month? Oh, look, it's 51 billion last month.

Nobody outside of the US thinks the economy is on the up.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 09:05 am
@Builder,
That's because most people don't understand economics. They latch only one issue, and believe that one issue moves the whole economy; it doesn't.

The Feds are doing a pretty decent job of keeping inflation and deflation under control while letting our economy continue to grow. They're using the right tact while more jobs and created, and our country continues to show strength in the US dollar.

If this were not so, foreign investors would not be putting their money into our stock market and other investments into this country.

Unemployment is now 6.1%, and the trend is showing even this number will be reduced in the near future.

Everybody is concerned about jobs; that's what our government is providing.

How would 'you' handle the current situation?
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 12:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
My opinion is irrelevant. We're to deal in real facts here, or there's little point responding, Mr Imposter. Widen your research parameters.

This from the Hill.

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Rather, decent employment opportunities for prime working age adults have not kept pace with population growth. The percentage of Americans ages 25 to 54 that has a job is down to 77 percent from 82 percent 15 years ago, despite a larger share of women in paid employment.

Shrinking opportunities, especially in manufacturing and the building trades, have hit men hard. One out of six between the ages of 25 and 54 is without a job, and many of them have few prospects for finding desirable employment.

Nineteen million Americans over 25 are working part-time. More elderly in the workforce supplementing retirement savings, and the structure of government benefits and regulations contribute to this phenomenon. For example, ObamaCare and the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) encourage low wage employees to work part-time to avoid losing benefits, and some employers are limiting workers to less than 30 hours per week to avoid tougher health insurance coverage mandates.

The loss of manufacturing and construction jobs, and growth in part-time employment reflects a broader shift in the economy to low wage jobs and lower household incomes.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/208387-fridays-jobs-report-wont-alter-fed-plans-to-raise-interest#ixzz37t3RM891
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Builder
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 02:04 am
And a longer-term forecast from the same site is even grimmer.
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Neither Democrats nor Republicans seem willing to budge from their current prescriptions for the U.S. fiscal situation, especially less than four months before midterm elections.

Obama has been willing in the past to trade entitlement changes for increased taxes on the wealthy. But some Democrats on Capitol Hill have been far less interested than the White House in floating entitlement changes.

Republicans, on the other hand, say they’re unwilling to consider any further tax increases after the fiscal cliff deal that materialized 18 months ago.

“I can’t explain the Republican position,” said Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.), the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee. “I’m not sure they have any kind of long-term strategy. I’m not sure what their strategy is.”

“It is my hope our friends on the other side of the aisle will abandon their misguided political opposition and heed this dire warning to work together to reform and strengthen the entitlement programs for our seniors and future generations,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah), the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement. “The time for courage is now.”


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/212263-cbo-us-deficit-levels-unsustainable#ixzz37tDksK4f
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 09:16 am
@Builder,
As I mentioned earlier why no economy can be predicted; politics plays a big role in how national economies work and that also impacts the world's economies. Examples of this can be seen in China, Vietnam, and Cuba.

A war will change the whole dynamics of the world's economies. The non-cooperation of one party in a country can and does impact the economy, but I believe there are too many variables that can't be accounted for that can have immediate impact on the economy. The GOP has been at it for all these years to make Obama a failed president, but regardless of their inactivity in congress, our economy have shown growth. It's probably because what the congress hasn't done is impact productive companies that are successful in the market place rather than the laws that govern them.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jul, 2014 11:27 am
NYT's is reporting that median household net worth adjusted for inflation is down over 1/3 in a decade (2003/2013).

That pretty much explains were this economy is going.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jul, 2014 12:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
You have to be careful of those numbers. The median net worth went up by 42% from 2000 to 2005 largely due to the housing bubble. Median net worth minus value of home has hardly budged from 2000 to 2011.

http://www.census.gov/people/wealth/files/Wealth%20Highlights%202011%20Revised%207-3-14.pdf
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jul, 2014 01:04 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

You have to be careful of those numbers. The median net worth went up by 42% from 2000 to 2005 largely due to the housing bubble. Median net worth minus value of home has hardly budged from 2000 to 2011.

http://www.census.gov/people/wealth/files/Wealth%20Highlights%202011%20Revised%207-3-14.pdf

The wealth might have been a bubble (OK, was a bubble), but people could and did borrow against it, they were spending as if they had it. The net worth situation of american households in my opinion completely explains the weakness of this recovery, explains why the jobs situation is so bad. The American people are not stupid, the corporate class and the government keep yapping about how great the economy is doing, but the people know the condition of their household books and they talk to the people around them who claim to have the same problem. People have lost faith.

In my business we feel the result, the average person is going out to eat less, and they even now are still cutting back more. Except for the wealthy when people go out they spend less too, they are cutting back on alcohol and are more often getting water than a soft drink. Restaurants are increasingly refusing to offer free water, I was at Five Guys two days ago and there if you want water you need to cough up 1.09 for bottled water.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jul, 2014 01:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
On the fundamental fact that 20% owns 80% of the assets tells 'some' of the story. However, that's also somewhat of a plus as it pertains to controlling inflation - even as the government continues to print more money.

That's because our economy continues to improve, and more people are finding jobs - some with some great wages and benefits. That can be seen especially here in Silicon Valley where we enjoy some of the highest average wages and benefits in the country.

The unemployment rate now sits at about 6.1% based on consistent methods to measure it. Our economy can't be compared to the past, because the world's economies have changed dramatically also. There is no way to compare the economies of the 90's to today; it's more of a world economy today than it was two decades ago. What happened during that time period were also different; we not only had the shift in wealth to fewer people, but the Great Recession also impacted the world's economies.

It took China over 35 years from a strictly communistic country to what we see today; private ownership of companies that transformed it into the second largest economy in the world.

The middle class in the US is much stronger than many realize. Housing and auto demand and sales indicates a stronger economy. And this time, it isn't built on a bubble of selling to people with poor credit; the default rate is still relatively low, because consumer credit quality is still high.

Most, if not all, investors have recovered 100% of their loss from 2008-2009, and equity in their homes are building up at a healthy pace at most locations.

Just look at the leisure industry where many tours are sold out - even at the $5,000 plus price range. Airlines are again making profit - even American Airlines.

Many things in our economy are looking positive for future growth. The short term ups and downs of the stock market is of little worry; the long-term uptrend is stable.
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