Pushing the Gay Agenda

I've never seen you accused of pushing the Gay Agenda. Have i led a sheltered life?

Can we just call it the EBrownP agenda, and can I sign on?




edit to fix your name - why have I been calling you EP for years?

I'm with you on that, ebrown. But I have heard the other perspective. I don't agree with it, but it goes something like this. "You are trying to get me to accept the gay lifestyle", or something to that effect. People who feel strongly about it seem to think that destigmatizing homosexuality somehow will prevent them from personally condemning it.

I say err on the side of freedom where it doesn't encroach on others'. And making someone uncomfortable is not my idea of encroaching on someone's freedom.

The problem with that argument (with which you don't agree anyway) is meaning of the word "accept".

In one sense, "accepting" others is a requirement of living in a pluralistic democracy.

People have had to "accept" living with all sorts of people they have not approved of. People have had to accept interracial marriages, black people in their neighborhoods, women voting, women in their workplace, Irish immigrants, Mormons and Fundamentalist Christians.

I think democracy is a very good thing, and it is well worth the trouble of the challenge of living with people you don't agree with.

In the other sense, democracy doesn't mean you have to "accept" anyone.

In the Freedom agenda, you don't have to accept anyone. You are free to choose your own friends. You can teach your kids who they should avoid. You can boycott Disney and yell at teachers.

You can criticize freely, write hate literature, scream in school boards even wear a swatstika if you choose.


.... as long as you don't take away the rights of others.

Yes. I'm going to go look for a program I heard on NPR. There was a man from the Log Cabin Republicans at the Republican National Convention who was going around trying to get the ear of the bigwigs in the party to see what they'd be willing to do about gay marriage. The program followed him and the people he talked with. It was very interesting.

I found it. It was on This American Life, if you have time to download and listen to it, it's very interesting.

http://www.thislife.org/ The part I was talking about is Act 1 of the 9-10-04 episode. I just remembered why I like that show so much.

In another thread, 'krissie" states that in high school these days, "it is almost uncool to be straight".

Now, if that isn't indicative of a gay agenda being shoved upon our youth, I don't know what is.

Do you remember how much "being cool" matters when you're a teenager?

And a comment about your avatar. Peace through superior firepower.

A little San Fran hyperbole cj...you know how those SF people are :wink:

When I read that, I honestly wanted to shoot my monitor. I'm sure there are several folks here who'd love it if I did.

CJ - she's one girl! In SF no less, if Panzade is right.

I've heard similar ruminations from my own kids. It's pretty disturbing as a parent.

Now that's a different color of a horse/

So, have your kids switched? I mean, what's the threat? My feeling is that it's a trend likely due to funny shows like Will and Grace than any gay agenda.

I think that in high school these days, as in days past, it is cool to do things that are forbidden or frowned upon, like smoking, having sex, skipping school, driving too fast, etc...

CJ,

I would like you to respond to my "Freedom Agenda" (outlined in my original post).

Is this what you would call a "gay agenda"?

Can you accept it?

"Pushing the gay agenda" is what homophobic people call the discussion of not discriminating against gay people.


As for the "cool" thing - adolescents experiment with attitudes and mores - and experiment - always have, always will.

They have had the heterosexual agenda pushed on them all their lives - in almost everything they have seen and heard about sex and relationships.

And hey - what always amuses me about this kind of "they're trying to push homosexuality" drama is that the very people who get agitated about it, are also the ones who continue to claim, against all evidence, that homosexuality is unnatural.

Well - if heterosexuality is the only natural choice, why do you think kids can be "turned" so easily??????

ebrown - I really wouldn't worry - though I know it is unpleasant. Often the folk who come to threads about homosexuality are the people who are agitated about it.

I, for one, often avoid them, cos I know from experience how unpleasant and (to me) disgusting they get - in terms of the levels of prejudice and nastiness expressed.

I am sure many other reasonably unprejudiced folk do the same, so you get barraged by the anti-gay folk, maybe?

WOW.

Sorry, but I see the same tactics being employed here that the democrats are taking in trying to win elections. Call the opponent every politically incorrect name in the book, and if that doesn't work, cheat.

WOW.

Yeah. Kind of like demonizing the opposition, labeling them, and whipping people into a frenzy by attaching an imaginary 'agenda' to their beliefs.