Do you honestly think there are no worthwhile beliefs?
I didn't say there are no worthwhile beliefs.
What I said was:
Just so you don't get the wrong idea, Graffiti...I think all this talk about "respecting other people's beliefs" is very, very overdone.
Fact is, these beliefs are, for the most part, merely wild guesses about the unknown. And most are as little more than embellisments of the silly myths of ancient peoples.
What is to respect about guesses???
And once you are on the road to "respecting" other people's "beliefs"...you end up having to deal with the logical conclusion of such foolishness.
I don't want to respect, for instance, the "beliefs" of Osama Bin Laden. I would not have respected the "beliefs" of Adolph Hitler. Nor the "beliefs" of Stalin, Idi Amin, or a host of others.
I stand by that!
In reply, you mentioned:
Sorry, but I don't see that a belief in bin Laden, Hitler, Stalin, Amin, or a host of others has anything to do with a belief in a Christian God, but, obviously, that's just me.
And I pointed out that that was my point!
You...and most other people who lecture on having respect for other people's "beliefs"...are not truly interested in having respect for "beliefs"...but rather for beliefs you agree with.
So in a way...those of us who do not agree with some of the religious beliefs...are doing the same thing as you...
...NOT having respect for those beliefs. And from there...it is just a short step to actually disrespecting those beliefs. More about that in a bit.
In other words, you put Hitler and Stalin in the same category as those who find solace in organized religion?
Very interesting that you left Osama Bin Laden out of that mix. So let me put him back in there...and take Hitler and Stalin out.
Yes, Graffiti, I do put Osama Bin Laden in the same category as those who find solace in organized religion.
And as for Hitler and Stalin...I think it significant that Stalin actually entered seminary and studied for the priesthood...and Hitler aspired to the priesthood as a young man. Both, at points in their lives, "found solace in organized religion."
Here is an interesting passage from a speech by Adolph Hitler:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922 "
Do you find it to be the same thing to believe in genocide as to believe in, for example, the 10 Commandments?
Well...the 10 Commandments are only a small part of the Law (Leviticus is the major book of the Law)...and quite honestly, Graffiti, the book of Leviticus proclaims a philosophy that is as bad as genocide.
On that account...and on the considerable hypocrisy associated with it...I do disrespect the beliefs based on the Bible.