Grace Hotel and redlight district in Bangkok, Thailand

Welcome to A2K, Clever_girl!

You seem to be a clever girl, indeed, since you could check your friend's bill-

What about asking him about it?




From the hotel's own website


74.00 THB (Thailand Baht) equal $ 1.78619 (USD) , btw

Grace Hotel (bill) & redlight district in Bangkok, Thail
Dear Walter,

I am not sure if I am replying to your response correctly as I have never done this. I have asked him about the bill and he said it was to restock the minibar. I was wondering why it would be the same fee every night? I may be wrong on this, but... your response seems to be very snide in tone. Do you not think that the 70% AIDS rate in Thailand's redlight district and finding out whether a loved one has lied to you about ------- in that redlight district would be important? Just trivial if one wears protection, I presume? Nevermind. My question was not about you or what your personal views are (or what mine are for that matter). I just wanted information in the information age, luv.

If you are concerned clever_girl please get yourself a checkup now and another in 6 months...and continue to use protection when having sex...

welcome to A2k...

A couple of things clevergirl.
First welcome to A2K

Second, I believe you might have misunderstood Walters tone. We have people from all over the world on this forum and although English is the common language sometimes there are misunderstandings in tone and usage.

Then you're asking forum members to help you rat out your boyfriend which is hardly a pleasant task.

It seems you have trust issues with him and you need to confront him directly with your fears. As you said, your life is on the line.

Re: Grace Hotel (bill) & redlight district in Bangkok, T


Sorry, about my tone or what you read in it. It wasn't intended.

Since I worked for several years with HIV and AIDS infected, taught HIV/AIDS prevention in practise (= schools/youth centers) and at university (= degree classes), I think, I know a bit about that - from fears to actual death.

I agree with Clever Girl's wonder. Perhaps I agree with the guys that their room charge is not her business. Still, standard rates for things would seem to be of common interest, for whatever use.

What can I say? I live in a small town, he tells all his bar stool buddies one thing and me another... I am made out to look like an idiot. I just don't like being lied to. I already know he lied to me... women can tell... I just want to know what the deal is.

He doesn't sound like a very good boyfriend. I'd say get tested, and dump him. This relationship is clearly causing you a LOT of stress, which you don't need. You need peace of mind.

Re: Grace Hotel and redlight district in Bangkok, Thailand
Ya know, Walter answered pretty much all the answerable questions you had...

I'll try to the best of my ability but can't really tell you anything that Walter's post didn't touch on.



We do not have enough information to answer this question. We can only guess. I guess that it has nothing whatsoever to do with sex for the following reasons:

1) It's $1.79. I have lived in many third world countries and even considering vastly different quality of life standards that's a price I have never heard anything remotely close to.

2) I don't think Escorts usually have hotels bill their clients for them. I suppose it's possible but I find it unlikely.



I don't know from personal experience, when I last lived in Bangkok I was too young to notice such things.

I did, however search the net and found some escort service sites located in Bangkok and the prices were in hundreds to thousands of dollars.

I suppose any escorts using the web are above average in price, but I saw nothing to indicate to me that sexual services could be purchased for $1.79 (the bill you mention).



I'm not familiar with any special "tricks". I haven't heard anyone who was "tricked" into sleeping with an escort and agreeing to pay for it.

I suppose they use the usual wiles.

Summary:

I don't have enough information to give a definitive answer. My personal opinion is that the bill you cite is extremely unlikely to be a bill for sexual services, and seems much more in-line with the explatation he gave (bar bills).

$1.79 I can imagine being the price for a drink or two in a third world country, not sex.



Well, it's possible that he did what you hear, if so it probably isn't in the bill you describe.

It's also possible that he told a fish story. It wouldn't be the first time a guy lied about making woopie to his buddies.

Whatever the case, we can't definitively satisfy your curiosity or quell your doubt. Nor can we absolve your boyfriend.

We simply don't have the necessary information for this.

What people here can do, is offer their sincere advice. Which they have (e.g. talk to him.. etc).

Touche, clever girl. I was out of line with the "rat out" line.

"Quote:
I need any information I can get about this and the sex tours tricks they use to try and fool the faithful at home... my health may depend on it.


I'm not familiar with any special "tricks". I haven't heard anyone who was "tricked" into sleeping with an escort and agreeing to pay for it.

I suppose they use the usual wiles."

The "wiles" of the sex-workers are not the subject of the question - the "wiles" of the consumer in keeping their patronage of such workers secret from their partners is what is being asked about.

Clever Girl--

Why do you stay with him if you don't trust him?

This is not so much about the 74.00 baht anymore (thanks, I appreciate it) and it is not about escorts at all (more about the bar girls and girls on the street. I just want to hear about what it is like over there and how it is to be a guy over there.

I am not really "with" him, but I am working my way out of love with him while he's in Switzerland.

direct answer
It is interesting that you ask a question and immediately you are judged for your mistrusting ways. I must say that I neither condone nor suggest anything with this answer. I volunteered in Thailand for 7 years. To answer your question; The cost for a girl ranges from 300baht for a street walking drug junky (probably missing most of her*his* teeth) to about 4000 for a beautiful, sexy model type. In the grace hotel night bar, it would cost about 1000 to 2000baht. The 75 baht recurring charge does sound like a mini bar as the chips/candy bars cost 25 baht and the water, sodas and beer would range from 10 to 100 baht. I have never seen a hotel allow charges for sexual service, but $2.00 doesn't even come close.

As for other comments, you should be able to speak about your fears with your significant other. Though the statistic of 70% prostitutes having aids is not true. It is a fabricated # and meant to scare travellers away from the sex trade. The simple fact is that there is no way to determine the % aids as the prostitution trade is unregulated therefore any number is unreliable though 10% is closer. If you do not trust your partner, then that is a different concern and should be dealt with in a way that you are comfortable with. Sometimes love doesn't allow you just to dump someone even if you don't trust them. I do feel condom use is justified if the mistrust is justified. Also, a hiv check does seem to be warranted.

I hope this helps you in the way that you needed and that the information isn't too late. Remember people, do not jugde...

i've been there and they dont put girls on the room....its the mini bar

drtnjj:- Excellent report Sir, however you omitted the 'bar charge' this is usually between 250 & 500 baht payable to 'Mamasan'. This permits the girl to vacate her dancing spot and go with you for a stroll, beer or whatever. The main vice area is really two streets in The Dala Salang area of Bangkok, the famous or infamous Patpong, this is some distance indeed from The Grace Hotel. Down the road from The Grace, over Smvt Rd at Nana, you will find a further playroom of ill repute. It
reminds me of a Roman Colosseum. Definitely three perhaps four stories high with concrete steps and a servicable escalator. The girls must number above a thousand. It amuses me to see the older occidental gents, complete with pony tails, well swollen around the middle with a beautiful Thai girl on their arms, aged between 18 and 30. No doubt the gents with the fat wallets are relieved of much before dawn. A twenty minute walk north along Smvt Rd will take you to Soi Cowboys, in The Asoki part of town, again a place of fun and an experience not to be missed. These are the shady sights of Bkk. similar to Soho in London. However, there are some excellent bars and clubs in this metropolis, and the country in general is friendly and enjoyable. Clever Girl, for my part, why did he go with friends, why did you consent to it ? If you have no trust in your partner, maybe its time to put yourself back on The Market Stall.

Clever_girl
74 Baht is equal to about $1.90 US. If your boyfriend is getting it for that you definitely dont want to sleep with him unprotected, haha.