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How are Sedimentary Layers laid down?

 
 
Filbert
 
Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2016 09:11 pm
Apparently Sedimentary layers are laid down very slowly, one on top of the other, with the youngest on top and the oldest on the bottom, parallel to the earths surface with each layer usually containing one or a few different materials of the same size grains. They seem to be sorted by grain size, (Much like volcanic ash or the layers sorted by water flow) as there are clear thin boundaries in between the layers, which appears to me to indicate there is no time between any of these layers, one layer is being laid down, then we have an instant stop and onto another material, like flicking a light switch, on or off, how can that be done slowly?
The question I would like an answer to is this, I was wondering what kind of processes are capable of doing this?

Does wind lay down only one material for millions of years, and then a switch to a different material? Does each layer represent a local flood?

I'd appreciate an answer, thanks in advance.



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Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2016 12:44 am
@Filbert,
You have to remember this process has variations. In some cases water is the method by whuch the layer is set, then the water shifts due to several possible reasons ie. Evaporation, river course change, ground uplift ect. Then water returns laying down a new layer meanwhile there was a period when the previous layer was exposed creating thin band of weathered material and hardening.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2016 11:28 am
@Filbert,
Fil most pretty slowly
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Filbert
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2016 06:08 pm
Thanks for the response! I had in mind this kind of layering:

http://imgur.com/28eTbpK

What you said about water laying down each layer would make sense, but If water set each of these layers one at a time, does this mean that each layer was once the surface of the earth for a period of time? With plants and animals roaming over them?
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2016 06:19 pm
@Filbert,
Filbert wrote:

Thanks for the response! I had in mind this kind of layering:

http://imgur.com/28eTbpK

What you said about water laying down each layer would make sense, but If water set each of these layers one at a time, does this mean that each layer was once the surface of the earth for a period of time? With plants and animals roaming over them?


In some places yes. But there are other methods of placement. Another example is near plate boundries the crust gets buckled and mountains form. Over time these mountains errode from wind and rain causing this silt to accumalate down hill.

The Earth also gains five tons of material daily. From space dust, meteors and other debris. Over thousands of years this becomes a lot of new material.

Land masses shift a lot over time. We have found ancient sea shells on the top of Mt. Everest because that ground was once under the ocean. Sea life died depositing shells which later got pushed up from plate buckling.

Water, wind, floods, rain, earthquakes, landslides all contribute to the distribution of layers.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2016 06:39 pm
I kind of recall that if it's deposited by wind, it's called loess, while sediment comes from water. Could be wrong about this as I didn't recheck my opinion.
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Filbert
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2016 07:51 am
How mountains form is another mystery for me, I've seen a mountain called Mount Romania, which looks like a square block:

http://imgur.com/DdizlYZ

Geology is weird, I don't think plates buckling caused a right angle around the edge of Romania though. But that's a different subject.

Silt falling off a mountain might be able to form one layer, maybe it's interrupted by local floods as time passes? There does seem to be an absence of dirt though, the kind of dirt commonly found on the surface of the ground.

And If plants and trees were growing in these layers before they turned to rock, and animals were roaming around on them before the next layer was laid down, why are there no trees or anything of the sort, where did everything go?

dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2016 10:46 am
@Filbert,
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where did everything go?
Fil we might suppose the plant material disintegrates while the humanoid leaves bones
Filbert
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:10 am
@dalehileman,
That's true, there doesn't appear to be any layer of broken down plants and trees though, whihc might turn into some kind of dirt as they break down, this image here:

http://imgur.com/9e3C7hn

Red chalk I think, topped by white chalk. One material stops another starts, no sign of anything in between. This one is on a beach, so maybe not too many trees there although you can see the grass on top. In any case this seems to be the norm, one layer of one type of material, then an instant stop, with no dirt or anything before the next layer of is laid down, which will usually be one type of material as well, like the chalk layers above.

I've been watching people try to explain this to layman like me in you-tube videos, They'll do a demonstration of how layers are made and take a bucket or a bag of one kind of material and pour it out, then take another bag of a different material, pour it out and say: "Over time a new layer appears"

But no one is pouring out these layers in nature. I would of thought there might be a gradual change of material instead of this instant switch we see.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:49 am
@Filbert,
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instead of this instant switch
Fil I've heard this explained as a "layer" that being more soluble, simply washes away


....sure, leaving just lots of additional q's
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:28 pm
@Filbert,
Filbert wrote:

That's true, there doesn't appear to be any layer of broken down plants and trees though, whihc might turn into some kind of dirt as they break down, this image here:

http://imgur.com/9e3C7hn

Red chalk I think, topped by white chalk. One material stops another starts, no sign of anything in between. This one is on a beach, so maybe not too many trees there although you can see the grass on top. In any case this seems to be the norm, one layer of one type of material, then an instant stop, with no dirt or anything before the next layer of is laid down, which will usually be one type of material as well, like the chalk layers above.

I've been watching people try to explain this to layman like me in you-tube videos, They'll do a demonstration of how layers are made and take a bucket or a bag of one kind of material and pour it out, then take another bag of a different material, pour it out and say: "Over time a new layer appears"

But no one is pouring out these layers in nature. I would of thought there might be a gradual change of material instead of this instant switch we see.


The difficulty in explaining this process is the underline details take a lot of time to explain and how everything relates. So they skip over the details.

Okay lets take your two layer example. Red layer, white layer with nothing between.

The red layer is probably mostly clay. This layer was probably laid down by a good amount of water which changed its course. See here is where I would have to skip the details. Why? Because how does water change its course? It depends on what kind of water, ie. River, lake, ocean inlet, seaside, ect. Each type have slightly different reasons why they change over time.

So red layer was distributing a clay deposit for many years, then the water source changed. Happens a lot with rivers, they tend to "cut" new paths over time.

This new layer of white is caused by the water source tearing into a different rock deposit. When the water returns it sets this new layer down because the material being broken down by the water is different. The clay deposit is no longer supplying material due to water course change.

However; the water course could shift back to the clay deposit. Causing a flip flop effect in the layers, ie. Red, white, red, white, red.

Okay now why no in between material? The rock was not exposed long enough for plants to grow on it until "now" when the layer was obviously pushed up from plate buckling. The grass grew on top is recent, no plant material deeper because it was not exposed long enough to allow it.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:47 pm
@Filbert,
Here is an explanation on river course change.

http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year%2012/Rivers_Floods/Landforms/A%20level%20Meander%20formation.jpg

Keep in mind this process can take place over thousands of feet or even miles.

A bend in a river water flows the fastest. This tears material from the bank in the turn. Over time this causes the turn to become more and more curved until the river is like a snake.

Eventually two turns cut into each other and the river has changed its course.
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Candlelight8
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:33 pm
@Filbert,
At first, I thought you had written lawyers and I thought I might talk about the proper application of cement. When I read the context, I think you should consider compression force. The size of grains would be an important factor in the compression of sediment over millennia. I also think that you should consider today, but it seems you always have your head buried in the sand. Just a couple laughs for you Filbert. Good Day, Candlelight8
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Filbert
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 04:42 am
I had been away for a few days so I couldn't reply, wanted to say thanks for your responses everyone. Some of my questions have been answered.
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