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Endorsement Race 2016

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 07:13 am
Lots of endorsements over the weekend ahead of the start of early voting in lots of states. We now sit at Clinton 147, No endorsement 15 (including one that endorsed Johnson four years ago), Not Trump 9, Johnson 6 and Trump 2.

From the Trump endorsement in the St. Joseph News Press in Missouri

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We endorse Trump for president in the belief he can bring about fundamental change — not alone, but in partnership with his party and a coalition of others drawn from every walk of life who think we can do better than what government has offered under eight years of President Obama.

This is far from a blanket endorsement of the Republican Party but recognition Trump will need help and will benefit from counsel and partnership with others who share his core values.

No one will suggest Trump is without flaws and a personal history that is best left in the past. Coarse and even crude behavior on one’s record is nothing to be proud of or to put forward as a model for young people. But these matters do not rise to the point of disqualifying him in a race against a candidate who has done so much over the last 30 years to abuse the public’s trust.

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It might seem unlikely, but Trump — a candidate who brags of his wealth — has done much more than his opponent to identify with the needs and interests of people who are struggling and striving for something better for their lives and their children’s lives.

Many recognize his business successes far outweigh his failures, and he could use his knowledge and insights to accelerate our historically slow recovery from the recession.

Among Trump’s welcome strategies would be a focus on lower taxes to spur investment and growth. A byproduct of this approach is his interest in repealing the estate tax that Clinton wants to raise. Throughout rural America, farm families understand how this would help them pass land from one generation to the next.

Trump also is enlightened about the Obama-Clinton war on coal and the need to balance climate change concerns with an energy policy that is not devastating to both industry and consumers, especially those in the Midwest. He promotes secure borders and more-equitable trade policies as a way to boost the economy at home and strengthen our hand in international affairs.

The GOP nominee also understands the first step in addressing the ills of the inner cities is to acknowledge we have a problem. He correctly points out policies promoted by Obama and supported by Clinton have failed these neighborhoods where violent crime, poor educational outcomes, and limited jobs and economic activity have conspired to perpetrate racial disparities.

Donald Trump became relevant due to the glaring failings of an entrenched governing bureaucracy defined by Obama and Clinton. A vote for Trump is a vote to change this dynamic and to cast our lot with a movement that is bigger than Trump alone.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 07:17 am
An interesting non-endorsement from the Chattanooga Times Free Press which endorsed Johnson four years ago. After excoriating Clinton, they talk about Trump.

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The fact Trump led in some polls in mid-September testifies both to the message he offered and to the weakness of Clinton as a candidate, but the Republican candidate has been unable to be reined in. Supporters might slough off some of his early pronouncements about Mexicans and women as early campaign faux pas, letting Trump be Trump, but he has not taken the cure.

Many of his fellow Republicans were waiting for the day when he pivoted to become presidential, when he mastered the issues so well he not only had the desire for change on his side but could elucidate the reasons for such change. To date, it seems a lost cause. And now, after his crude remarks from 11 years ago were aired, still more Republicans have abandoned him, from former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Arizona Sen. John McCain to Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam, who never endorsed him and has suggested he step down in favor of vice presidential nominee Mike Pence.

Meanwhile, Trump continues to excoriate fellow GOPers, the very people he would need if he is elected, if they don't say nice things about him. He doesn't espouse the attributes of limited government this page has long believed in. His policy statements are gassy and have no substance. He appears unmoved that entitlement reform is necessary. He wants a $10 minimum wage. His pro-life stance may only be a feint. He has previously advocated for universal — total government-run — health care.

We are shocked and saddened the man so many looking for change believed could help "make America great again" continues to be demeaning in his rhetoric, largely unrepentant in his deeds and not genuinely conservative in his principles.

That said, we respect the new or inactive voters Trump has drawn into the electorate, their appreciation of his no-holds-barred stances, their righteous fear of a more liberal Supreme Court and the desire to vote for any Republican over Clinton. We would not tell you nay.

We continue to believe the Republican Party offers the best hope for the country and are supporting Republicans throughout the ballot, as has been the tradition for this page (with the exception of 2012 when it endorsed libertarian Gary Johnson for president).

We could never endorse Clinton, do not choose to recommend a third-party candidate and never would advise anyone not to vote.

However, because Trump doesn't espouse the traditional conservative values of this page, we cannot endorse him.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:44 am
@izzythepush,
I also observe that of Trump; he's a racial-religious bigot with many supporters.
I'm sort of glad he has brought them out of the woodworks to show us that bigotry is alive and well, and we must all fight against these hitlers. Without Trump, they'll again go into the background of our politics.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Without Trump, they'll again go into the background of our politics.


I think this would be a very dangerous assumption. Trump and his rancid words have much more potential for harm after he's defeated than even now, in my opinion. Just for one thing, there will be another person or people (probably smarter and with better political acumen) who will have studied the enormous impact Trump had by appealing to the absolute worst in people - and they too will launch campaigns in future elections.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:02 am
@snood,
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A FiveThirtyEight.com analysis of polling data shows Clinton up by 4 points in Florida, 7 points in Pennsylvania and 2 points in Ohio. She is also beating Trump in North Carolina (3 points); Michigan (9 points); Colorado (7 points) and Wisconsin (8 points). Arizona and Georgia are the outliers, with Clinton and Trump tied in the first and the GOP nominee up by 4 points in the second.

Since 1988, the presidential candidate who has won two of three states - Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida – has claimed victory in the election.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:06 am
@snood,
At the same time, I suspect the Republicans are going to be trying to figure out a way to drag voters their direction (Trump voters are something, but they're clearly not traditional Republicans). It could be a good opportunity for independents in down-ballot races.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
Your post doesn't respond to the point I made - that it would be wrong to assume Trump followers would just fade away after this.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2016 06:19 pm
Vogue magazine endorses Clinton in its first ever endorsement.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2016 06:20 pm
Trump gets his third endorsement from the Waxahachie Daily Light of Texas. Clinton has 153.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 12:38 am
@cicerone imposter,
Even if he's not a fascist, he's given them a voice, almost rehabilitated them. Racist incidents shot up during and after Brexit too, people who normally keep their repulsive views to themselves are now airing them.
catbeasy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2016 08:08 am
@snood,
Yes, it is always a concern. What's really disturbing is that Trump didn't rise like a Hitler. Our country was and is in no where near the shape of Germany circa 1930's.

btw, I know there has been pushback comparing Trump to Hitler. Maybe some of these distinctions are valid, but their are many similarities. And for those that think our countries and current situations are too different, on the face of it they are. However, one of the reasons think Trump is truly dangerous is his Machiavellian spirit.

All Presidents do covert things, make back door deals, but I think Trump will do this comparatively, exponentially. If congress stonewalls him, he'll do it clandestinely. Nixon on steroids. To use Trump's hyperbole, if Clinton is dangerous, dynamite, Trump is an atom bomb..
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2016 11:39 am
@izzythepush,
Yea. Trump thinks the presidency means he can run the country any way he wishes. As the Kahn's suggested, he needs to study our Constitution. Why the race is so close shows the ignorance of too many in our country.
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Candlelight8
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2016 11:43 am
@engineer,
Print Media Is Dead. I hope you don't have thousands of newspapers stored neatly in your garage. That would be sad.
Candlelight8
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2016 11:48 am
@Candlelight8,
Just the opposite. The great majority of original reporting is still done by the traditional print media. That is even more true at the state level and completely true at the local level. If you want to know what is going on in little town USA, read their paper.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 07:26 am
Las Vegas-Review Journal throws support behind the GOP presidential nominee.

Trump got his first major newspaper endorsement - 15 days from the election.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lands-first-major-newspaper-endorsement/ar-AAjhTIP?li=BBnb7Kz
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 09:34 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Just the opposite. The great majority of original reporting is still done by the traditional print media. That is even more true at the state level and completely true at the local level. If you want to know what is going on in little town USA, read their paper.


You mean like the Pennysaver?
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 10:36 am
Isn't it curious that the nation's most accurate presidential poll the Investors Business Daily has Trump up by 2 points and the second most accurate poll Pew research hasn't conducted a presidential poll and quite a while. More Curious is ABC News where they have Clinton up by 12 but the LA times has it a dead even race.

And I don't see any reporting in the major media that this is basically a virtual tie... Yes boys and girls the major media is definitely trying to rig the election. And people are complaining about Russia interfering with the election by exposing Hillary's emails... Of course they want you to forget what the emails say just the fact that they're coming from Russia. At least with Russia we're getting the truth about Hillary's emails we don't seem to be getting the same thing from the major media when it comes to polling.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 10:50 am
Has anyone noted in this thread that Glenn Beck has endorsed Clinton?
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 12:31 pm
@izzythepush,
This is one of my bigger concerns about Trump, even if he doesn't win the election.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 12:39 pm
@giujohn,
Keep hope alive!!
 

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