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The Future President, Donald Trump Part 2

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2016 06:05 pm
@ehBeth,
It started with the Tea Party trying to make normal unacceptable behavior normalized by calling everything political correctness. Take the latter part of the piece I left a minute ago, where Trump was talking about political correctness and the military and gays, transgender's and women.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2016 06:07 pm
@ehBeth,
I don't know.
Any room in Canada? kidding, would that they would accept me. Not enough money, or too old, etc.

meantime, I didn't grasp the swamp was so large.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2016 06:16 pm
@revelette2,
And dont forget out hero tRump stiffed a bunch of people he owed money by declaring bankruptcy. Think that now that he is a billionare again he will go back and pay them? In your dreams!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2016 06:32 pm
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2016 05:03 am
The Trump Possibility

Donald Trump is a thug. He’s a thug who talks gibberish, and lies, and cheats, and has issues, to put it mildly, with women. He’s lazy and limited and he has an attention span of a nanosecond. He’s a “gene believer” who thinks he has “great genes” and considers the German blood, of which he is proud, “great stuff.” Mexicans and Muslims, by contrast, don’t make the cut.

He’s managed to bring penis size and menstrual cycles and the eating habits of a former Miss Universe into the debate for the highest office in the land. He’s mocked and mimicked the handicapped and the pneumonia-induced malaise of Hillary Clinton. His intellectual interests would not fill a safe-deposit box at Trump Tower. There’s more ingenuity to his hairstyle than any of his rambling pronouncements. His political hero is Vladimir Putin, who has perfected what John le Carré once called the “classic, timeless, all-Russian, bare-faced whopping lie.”

This is a man who likes to strut and gloat. He’s such a great businessman he declared a loss of $916 million on his 1995 tax return, a loss so huge the tax software program used by his accountant choked at the amount, which had to be added manually. His cohorts, including the former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, reckon this makes Trump a “genius” because he could offset the loss against many millions of dollars of income for years afterward and perhaps pay not a dime in taxes. All of which did a lot of good for the United States of America and all the working stiffs who did not know that losing about a billion dollars is a financial masterstroke.

And this man, with the support of tens of millions of Americans, is a hairbreadth from the Oval Office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/opinion/the-trump-possibility.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2016 05:06 am
@ehBeth,
I am embarrassed its happened. I am embarrassed to admit: I do not know how it happened.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2016 06:11 am
The most shocking part of Trump’s tax records isn’t the $916 million loss

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Sure, the $900 million-plus of losses reported by the New York Times — losses that could be used to offset income for a total of 18 years — are totally shocking. Legal, yes. But shocking.

But there’s something I consider even more shocking — although it involves a much smaller number.

By my read of the Trump tax return published by the New York Times, he would have been tax-free because of a $15,818,562 loss reported on Line 11 of the return under “Rental real estate, royalties, partnerships, S corporations, trusts, etc.” It looks to me that this loss reflects the outrageous, special tax break that real estate developers that people like Trump can get, but that the rest of us can’t.
To give you the brief version, people who qualify as real estate developers or managers can use depreciation deductions to offset non-real-estate income. But people who don’t qualify for this special treatment can’t do that. (For full details, ask a tax expert about Section 469 of the tax code.)


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What we can tell, though, is that what I wrote recently about Trump’s “That makes me smart” boast when Hillary Clinton prodded him about not paying taxes was right.

If Trump were truly smart — and wanted to lead by example — he would have disclosed his tax returns, showed the loopholes he used, and vowed to close them.

I have plenty of problems with the Clintons’ financial behavior, as I wrote. But at least Hillary Clinton is proposing tax code changes that would cost her and her family money. Trump, by contrast, is proposing tax changes that would greatly benefit the commercial real estate business, which is his primary field, and would greatly benefit his own family. And when I asked his campaign last week whether he was proposing any tax changes that would cost him and/or his family any money, I got no reply.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2016 06:41 am

Fact Checkers Threaten To Boycott Next Presidential Debate Unless Trump Agrees To Use At Least One Fact
10/03/2016 03:57 pm ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-lamb/fact-checkers-threaten-to_b_12253166.html?

Christopher Lamb Professor of Journalism, Indiana University-Indianapolis

The leading fact-checking association in the United States has threatened to boycott the second presidential debate if GOP candidate Donald Trump doesn’t meet their demands.

The National Organization of Fact-Checking Technicians sent an email to the Trump Campaign and the Commission on Presidential Debates on Monday that said none of its members would attend the next debate unless the billionaire real estate developer agreed to use at least one fact.

“We cannot in good conscience be a part of the debate as long as Mr. Trump continues to make a mockery of facts and of people like us who are willing to put our reputations - and even our lives - on the line to protect and preserve the value of facts and everything they represent,” Faith Candor, president of NOFACT, wrote in the email.

“Is it too much, Mr. Trump,” she asked, “to ask you to include at least one actual fact in your next debate with Hillary Clinton?”

Trump and Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will next debate each other at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, on Sunday, October 9.

Candor said that fact-checkers accept a certain amount of exaggeration, distortion, prevarication, and outright lying on the campaign trail. But, she added, that there is usually a “germ of truth” in most statements made by political candidates.

“With Trump, there is no truth to what he says. The only thing you get from him is germs,” she said. “He appears to simply pull everything he says out of his rear end.”

PolitiFact, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalism website, supported Candor’s comment. It reported that only 2.5 percent of Trump’s statements during the presidential campaign were rated “true.” More than 60 percent of his statements were rated either “false” or were considered “pants on fire” lies, which is the category given to statements without any basis in truth.

PolitiFact said Trump has made more “pants on fire” statements during the presidential campaigns than all other 21 presidential candidates combined. It awarded Trump its 2015 “Lie of the Year.” It could not designate one particular lie so it gave Trump the award for his body of work.

Trump responded angrily to the email from NOFACT. He called the threat “politically motivated.”

“The facts have a well-known liberal bias,” Trump tweeted.

Trump responded to the fact checkers’ demand in a separate tweet a minute later:

“Fact checkers are for losers. My supporters don’t want facts.”

Candor said she was encouraged by Trump’s response.

“What he said about his supporters is actually a fact,” she said.
Follow Christopher Lamb on Twitter: www.twitter.com/16campaignbites
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2016 08:53 am
I sold Trump $100,000 worth of pianos. Then he stiffed me.

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At Monday night’s debate, Donald Trump was called out for stiffing the people who work for him. Trump has been accused of failing to pay hundreds of contractors. And so far, he hasn’t seemed very sorry. When asked about failing to pay someone by Hillary Clinton this week, Trump replied, “Maybe he didn’t do a good job and I was unsatisfied with his work.”

I take that attack personally. I’m one of the many small business owners who’ve been used by Trump, exploited and forced to suffer a loss because of his corporation’s shady practices.

My relationship with Trump began in 1989, when he asked me to supply several grand and upright pianos to his then-new Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City. I’d been running a music store for more than 30 years at that point, selling instruments to local schools and residents. My business was very much a family affair (my grandsons still run the store). And I had a great relationship with my customers — no one had ever failed to pay.

I was thrilled to get a $100,000 contract from Trump. It was one of the biggest sales I’d ever made. I was supposed to deliver and tune the pianos; the Trump corporation would pay me within 90 days. I asked my lawyer if I should ask for payment upfront, and he laughed. “It’s Donald Trump!” he told me. “He’s got lots of money.”

But when I requested payment, the Trump corporation hemmed and hawed. Its executives avoided my calls and crafted excuses. After a couple of months, I got a letter telling me that the casino was short on funds. They would pay 70 percent of what they owed me. There was no negotiating. I didn’t know what to do — I couldn’t afford to sue the Trump corporation, and I needed money to pay my piano suppliers. So I took the $70,000.

Losing $30,000 was a big hit to me and my family. The profit from Trump was meant to be a big part of my salary for the year. So I made much less. There was no money to help grow my business. I had fewer pianos in the showroom and a smaller advertising budget. Because of Trump, my store stagnated for a couple of years. It made me feel really bad, like I’d been taken advantage of. I was embarrassed.

Today, when I hear Trump brag about paying small business owners less than he agreed, I get angry. He’s always suggesting that the people who worked for him didn’t do the right job, didn’t complete their work on time, that something was wrong. But I delivered quality pianos, tuned and ready to go. I did everything right. And then Trump cheated me. It’s a callous way to do business.

Trump keeps saying that it’s time we got a businessman to run the country. Of course, I think it’s important to find someone who can bolster the economy. But I also think we need a president who cares about small business owners, and about honoring his commitments. That’s not Trump.

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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 09:11 am
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By all accounts, Mike Pence is running for the vice presidency on a ticket with Donald Trump. Viewers might be forgiven if they went to bed with the wrong impression after tuning into Pence’s one and only appearance on a debate stage Tuesday night, though.

Time and again, Pence was asked to defend some of his running mate’s most controversial statements and positions. And with virtually every opportunity, he instead deflected, changed the subject, or outright denied that Trump’s words were Trump’s words.

Take this exchange on nuclear weapons. This past spring, Trump raised eyebrows when he suggested it was in America’s interest if more countries—like Saudi Arabia, Japan, and South Korea—began developing nuclear weapons. He also suggested that as president, he wouldn’t be opposed to using nuclear weapons in Europe.

To national security experts at the time and still today, Trump’s comments were as alarming as they were outlandish. And on Tuesday, Mike Pence sounded incredulous when Trump’s own words were essentially repeated

“He never said that,” Pence insisted. Naturally, there is ample video evidence of Trump saying it, repeatedly.

Pence also couldn’t believe a presidential nominee would forget the fact that Russia invaded Crimea just two years ago. “Trump…didn’t know that Russia had invaded Crimea,” Kaine reminded viewers.

He knew that,” was Pence’s chortled retort.

“He’s not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand,” were Donald Trump’s exact words in August, two years after Putin went into Ukraine. “He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.”

On immigration, on foreign policy, on national security, on taxes, on insults leveled against women, Mexicans, and Muslims; every time Kaine resurfaced one of Donald Trump’s offensive, false or incoherent quotes, Pence refused to defend his running mate.

And that may have been by design.

As many commentators noted post-debate, while Kaine gave a full-throated defense of Hillary Clinton’s record at the State Department and in Congress, Pence’s primary concern on the debate stage seemed to be himself. If his aim was to lend support for Donald Trump’s policy proposals and sway undecided voters, Pence failed spectacularly.

If, however, his goal was to insulate his own political career from his highly combustable running mate, well, mission accomplished.


check out the tweets at the source
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 05:21 pm
Trump’s Doing Worse Than Romney Did Among White Voters
Source: FiveThirtyEight

Donald Trump’s strategy in this campaign has been fairly clear from the beginning: Drive up Republican support among white voters in order to compensate for the GOP’s shrinking share among the growing nonwhite portion of the electorate. And Trump has succeeded in overperforming among a certain slice of white voters, those without a college degree. But overall, the strategy isn’t working. Trump has a smaller lead among white voters than Mitt Romney did in 2012, and Trump’s margin seems to be falling from where it was when the general election began.

Four years ago, Romney beat President Obama among white voters by 17 percentage points, according to pre-election polls. That was the largest winning margin among white voters for any losing presidential candidate since at least 1948. Of course, even if Trump did just as well as Romney did, it would help him less, given that the 2016 electorate will probably be more diverse that 2012’s. And to win — even if the electorate remained as white as it was four years ago — Trump would need a margin of 22 percentage points or more among white voters.

But Trump isn’t even doing as well as Romney. Trump is winning white voters by just 13 percentage points, according to an average of the last five live-interviewer national surveys.1 He doesn’t reach the magic 22 percentage point margin in a single one of these polls.

Read more: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-doing-worse-than-romney-did-among-white-voters/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 06:11 pm
The anxiety in the doctrinaire progressive crowd here appears to be growing. The growing unease of some posters in this area is hard to miss.

Despite the active support of most media outlets and the whole spectrum of left wing political organizations, and despite unprercedented political fund raising and spending, enthusiasm for Hillary remains tepid at best.

Meanwhile the odor of corruption surrounding her her misuse of her position in the State Department to create income for her and contributions to the "charitable" foundation that pays the salaries of a host of political aides; the much reported e mail scandal; and now emerging evidence of serious irregularities in the FBI investigation that whitewashed her actions -- all grows apace.

She remains a lukewarm campaigner who, on a good day, is a bit hard to like.

All this. amidst growing public perception of widespread political corruption of numerous Federal government agencies under the current President may indicate some weariness with the stale promises of this Administration and its chosen successor.

It's an unusual political year, and this election remains very hard to predict for a host of reasons. Hillary has maintained a small lead in most polls for nearly all of the past several months. Despite that there appears to be a marked difference in the enthusiasm exhibited by the supporters of the respective candidates, with Trump appearing to lead in this area to a substantial degree. that could easily bias the actual voting patters from the central tendency of the polls enough to cause her defeat.







DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 06:23 pm
@georgeob1,
The really funny thing is that almost any other of the Republican candidates could be running away with the election.

But you chose Trump.

And your second choice was Ted Cruz. (Really?)


Is Hillary Clinton's support tepid? Maybe.

But Trump is toxic, and it's clear that the election is now breaking in Clinton's direction.

It's also clear that the Republicans are unwilling to field a reputable candidate; chances are that the 2020 candidate will be just as radioactive as Trump.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 06:37 pm
@DrewDad,
I agree that Republicans might arguably have been better off with another candidate, but we'll really never know that for sure, and histoiry doesn't reveal its alternatives.

Trump is certainly toxic among many liberals. However there is ample evidence that Trump has indeed created strong support and excitement in a large and perhaps growing segment of voters who are increasingly weary of the current Administration and all it represents including its lackluster and self absorbed chosen successor.

In any event the unease among Hillary supporters here is very evident.
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 07:43 pm
Everyone will say Mike Pence won the VP debate. But really, Donald Trump lost it.

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The truth is that vice-presidential nominees seldom have a significant impact on the outcome of the election, and their one debate is almost guaranteed not to change much. The most memorable moment in a VP debate happened in 1988, when Lloyd Bentsen zinged Dan Quayle with "You're no Jack Kennedy" — but you may recall which one of them became vice president afterward. So consider what we'll be talking about for the next couple of days as we run this debate around in our heads. We'll certainly talk about Russia, which was the topic of an unusual amount of discussion — but much of that will concern what the extent of Donald Trump's business interests are there, not to mention replays of both Trump and Pence's words of praise for Vladimir Putin.

Even more so, we'll talk about the pattern that repeated over and over again between Kaine and Pence, in which Kaine would bring up something offensive or bizarre or idiotic that Trump had said, whereupon Pence would shake his head and with a "What the heck is he talking about?" expression on his face deny that Trump had ever said any such thing. Unfortunately for Pence, the fact-checkers are armed and ready, and they'll be noting that in almost every case, Kaine was right and Pence was wrong. Here are some of the things that Kaine noted Trump had said, and Pence either explicitly denied or shook his head at:

— That Trump called Putin a great leader


— That Trump said more nations should get nuclear weapons

— That Trump said about nuclear war between other countries, "Good luck, enjoy yourself"

— That Trump said he wants a deportation force to round up undocumented immigrants


— That Trump said women who have abortions should be punished.

— That Trump wanted to ban Muslims from entering the United States

— That Trump said NATO was obsolete

— That Trump was unaware that Russia invaded Ukraine

— That Trump said the military is a disaster

There's more, but the point is that there will be article after article in the next few days explaining that Trump did in fact say these things. Then the Clinton campaign will put together some online videos showing Pence denying that Trump said these things, along with video of Trump saying these things. Cable news will show those videos many times over the next few days — at least until the next time Trump says something appalling at a rally or in an interview.

And Trump will say many more appalling things, as sure as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. Who knows, he may have already done so by the time you're reading this.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 08:09 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
However there is ample evidence that Trump has indeed created strong support and excitement in a large and perhaps growing segment of voters

Check the polls. Definitely a declining segment.

georgeob1 wrote:
In any event the unease among Hillary supporters here is very evident.

My unease stems not from worry over Trump winning, but over why the U.S. is so sick that he might get 40% of the popular vote.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 09:15 pm
I am sick to death of seeing
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— That Trump said women who have abortions should be punished.
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What a crock of ****. Do you even know what that quote was from and why he said it or does that even matter to you losers?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2016 09:45 pm
@McGentrix,
Trump quote " women who seek abortions should be subject to some form of punishment"

How is that?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2016 08:50 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Trump quote " women who seek abortions should be subject to some form of punishment"

How is that?


Quote:
con·text
ˈkäntekst/
noun
noun: context; plural noun: contexts

the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.


Trump was given a hypothetical question by Chris Matthews (A devoted commie) "If abortions are banned, should a woman be punished?" and then badgered until Matthews got the answer he wanted.

Everyone knows that Trump is not a polished politician like the typical slimes running for President and he did not give the proper politicians answer.

So, If something becomes illegal, should those participating in illegal activity be punished? That does seem to be the way things work.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2016 09:00 am
@McGentrix,






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