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New Tarzan Trailer

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 05:11 pm
@farmerman,
I did not insert what is clearly racism in my quote.
farmerman
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 05:17 pm
@edgarblythe,
did I claim you did. My we are a bit defensive tonight .
I better just bck away.
edgarblythe
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 05:55 pm
@farmerman,
You don't have to back away. I don't reach through the screen and snatch anybody by the throat.
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edgarblythe
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 06:02 pm
Everybody you disagree with thinks it is turning into combat.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 06:25 pm
@farmerman,
Get a grip, i didn't say that Burroughs wrote it.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 06:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If you want to condemn them because of personal views of the author, then I would expect you to want to set fire to the movies of Roman Polansky and Woody Allen who are guilty of reprehensible actions and not just beliefs.


I condemn the author, not the writing--which in Burroughs' case, is not that great. As for Polanski and Allen, i have no problem condemning both of them as scumbags.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 06:37 pm
@farmerman,
Didn't have to read any further than this.
Quote:
...a savage among savages...
victoriawade
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 08:15 am
@freyaferguson,
You can find more information about Tarzan Trailer here
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farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 08:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
...a savage among savages...
and the conclusion at which you arrived?
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:29 pm
My conclusion is, the mind that produced the passage I quoted was clearly racist. After seeing the other passages, I have to conclude somebody edited one or the other, to satisfy one side or the other.
farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 01:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
"the other passages " were direct lifts from his books. I have the very pages and you can read the damned things on line. I think that youre missing the entire point that Burroughs was writing for about 45 years and he penned serialized pulp , much of which was turned into books. Do you think its possible that one writer could have,an entire career wherein he entertains conflicting opinions?

Thomas Dixon (Of whomI assume Set was speaking) wrote the "clansman" and thought the second coming of the KKK was actually an abomination to what his "clan" stood for.

I think you need to look at Burroughs entire body of work and his life style before deciding what he is in your mind. Me, I really am just here because the rest of the site is putrifying
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 01:23 pm
Well we don't have to keep on about it. Tarzan is an icon now and will never be brought down by something I wrote here.
farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 07:52 pm
@edgarblythe,
John Carter, authr of the ERB blog, made agood point that Burroughs depiction of Trzan (and his sudden decline to racist impeialist) is based on a relatively short scope reading of Tarzan. It appears atht these OUT OF CONTEXT "rciwt quote mineings" are taken waay out of context and depict the YOung Trzan , who, raised by Apes, became the king of savages. He killed many blacks an then, AS HE GREW, he began to see the error of his erlier ways an his quote mined stuff from lter stories were, as Carter put it, Burroughs attempt to influence English Society.
I dlaimed he was a man of his time sand while that my be so, its too simplistic a way to describe him, he was attempting to serve up an idea of the nobility of ALL men, and this was seen only as he grew.
Kiplings "A dury of the White Man" is a poem that,w hen parodied by Burroughs :The Duty of the Black Man" became a biting reproach of imperial Britain . He was a war correspondent (WWII) an one of the oldest to serve .
I think you need to stop tking cherry picken quotes out of context and, ifd we really want to understand the man, try to pull his body of work together. It shouldnt be hrd, but Im sure theres a PhD thesis in the U of Mich archives analyzing the fact that the use of the term "rcist" on Burroughs was dead wrong and merely an easy chop made by some lazy critics who, Like todays bloggers, just copied from eaxh other.
farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 07:54 pm
@farmerman,
IT was actually
"THE WHITE MAN"S BURDEN-by Rudyard Kipling
Quote:
ake up the White Man’s burden—

Send forth the best ye breed—

Go send your sons to exile

To serve your captives' need

To wait in heavy harness

On fluttered folk and wild—

Your new-caught, sullen peoples,

Half devil and half child

Take up the White Man’s burden

In patience to abide

To veil the threat of terror

And check the show of pride;

By open speech and simple

An hundred times made plain

To seek another’s profit

And work another’s gain

Take up the White Man’s burden—

And reap his old reward:

The blame of those ye better

The hate of those ye guard—

The cry of hosts ye humour

(Ah slowly) to the light:

"Why brought ye us from bondage,

“Our loved Egyptian night?”

Take up the White Man’s burden-

Have done with childish days-

The lightly proffered laurel,

The easy, ungrudged praise.

Comes now, to search your manhood

Through all the thankless years,

Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,

The judgment of your peers!

Source: Rudyard Kipling, “The White Man’s Burden: The United States & The Philippine Islands, 1899.” Rudyard Kipling’s Verse: Definitive Edition (Garden City, New York: Doubleday, 1929).
farmerman
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 08:01 pm
@farmerman,
"The BLACK MAN's BURDEN"--EDGAR RICE BURROUGHs

Quote:
Take up the white man’s burden,
The yoke ye sought to spurn;
And spurn your father’s customs;
Your father’s temples burn.
O learn to love and honor
The white God’s favored sons.
Forget the white-haired fathers
Fast lashed to mouths of guns
Take up the white man’s burden,
Your own was not enough;
He’ll burden you with taxes;
But though the road be rough,
“To him who waits,” remember,
“All things in time shall come;”
The white man’s culture brings you
The white man’s God, and rum.
Take up the white man’s burden;
‘Tis called “protectorate,”
And lift your voice in thanks to
The God ye well might hate.
Forget your exiled brothers;
Forget your boundless lands;
In acres that they gave for
The blood upon their hands.
Take up the white man’s burden;
Poor simple folk and free;
Abandon nature’s freedom,
Embrace his “Liberty;”
The goddess of the white man
Who makes you free in name;
But in her heart your color
Will brand you “slave” the same.
Take up the white man’s burden;
‘And learn by what you’ve lost
That white men called as counsel
Means black mean pays the cost.
Your right to fertile acres
Their priests will teach you well
Have gained your fathers only
A desert claim in hell.
Take up the white man’s burden;
Take it because you must;
Burden of making money;
Burden of greed and lust;
Burden of points strategic,
Burden of harbors deep,
Burden of greatest burdens;
Burden, these burdens to keep
Take up the white man’s burden;
His papers take, and read;
‘Tis all for your salvation;
The white man knows not greed.
For you he’s spending millions —
To him, more than his God —
To make you learned, and happy,
Enlightened, cultured, broad.
Take up the white man’s burden
While he makes laws for you,
That show your fathers taught you
The things you should not do.
Cast off your foolish feathers,
Your necklace, beads, and paint;
Buy raiment for your mother,
Lest fairer sisters faint.
Take up the white man’s burden;
Go learn to wear his clothes;
You may look like the devil;
But nobody cares who knows.
Peruse a work of Darwin —
Thank gods that you’re alive —
And learn the reason clearly: —
The fittest alone survive.
— Edgar Rice Burroughs
I rest my case.

And by the way — what an absolute delicious delight. He completely eviscerates Kipling — and he’s on the right side of the argument. Racist? I think not.

Those kast lines are by John Carter ERB blog, not mine , but still buy the "racist ****"?
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:38 am
@farmerman,
no comments about the poem eh? I rest my case.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:39 am
@farmerman,
And an effective case it was.
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:54 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I need a drink
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 19 Aug, 2016 10:24 am
@farmerman,
Come to Texas, I'll buy you one.

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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 10:53 am
My only comment is, he continued to make big money off of the racist books but never went back to edit those portions out. If I had "evolved" as he supposedly did, I would want to stop profiting off of racism.
 

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