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German public pool bans the burqini, what do you think?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Burkini Swimsuits Spark Anti-Muslim Outrage - and Fast Sales


Mayor of Cannes bans burqinis on resort's beaches
roger
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, France ya know. If it doesn't show enough skin, it just isn't happening.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 12:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's not just Muslim women either, Nigella Lawson stoked up a huge amount of controversy when she wore one.

Quote:
Earlier this week, a British woman in Australia wore a full head-to-toe black suit, complete with hoodie, to go swimming. Perhaps she thought what she wore on the beach was her own business. How wrong could she be. Wind forward a couple of days and there were already more than 100,000 items on a Google search under Nigella and burkini


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/apr/23/nigella-lawson-burkini-bikini-swimming
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2016 02:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
What? It's not just the logical extension of some arcane statute enacted 50 years ago by the Cannes city fathers?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2016 11:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
No, it a recent decree (arrêté municipal ) by the mayor of Cannes.
That was confirmed yesterday (Saturday) by the administrative court in Nice. (The case will now go to the appellate court, the Conseil d'État ["Council of State"], I suppose.)

The banning of the burkini is between July 28 and August 30.
The Nice court said, it was following the French constitution (article 1: "La France est une République laïque")*


*The text of the decree says that i between the above mentioned dates the access to the beach and swimming areas is "forbidden to anyone not having a dress, respectful of morality and secularism, .... ..."
(...d'accès aux plages et de baignade à toute personne n'ayant pas une tenue correcte, respectueuse des bonnes mœurs et de la laïcité, respectant les règles d'hygiène et de sécurité des baignades adaptées au domaine public maritime, ainsi que le port de vêtements pendant la baignade ayant une connotation contraires à ces principes.)

So it's a «plages laïques» as they call this now on the Côte d’Azur, Cannes, a secular beach ...
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 04:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's funny how you miss sarcasm when it suits you.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2016 04:54 am
we look at our own Amish and some Mennonite customs,( where the female ankle and the female upper body is considered private information between a husband nd a wife) as "quaint" and in line with their religious beliefs. Our constitution provides for the "free expression" of how these religions dictate customs to its members.
We give them the Constitutionally deroven freedom to sartorially oppress themselves.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2016 05:26 am
@farmerman,
The French constitution's article 1: "La France est une République laïque" has even an higher importance to them than the 2nd amendment to the USA. (Most religious sites were destroyed in parts of Germany which were French between the 1780's and 1815 [on the left Rhenish parts mainly])
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2016 11:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Cannes and a few days later Villeneuve-Loubet on the Côte d'Azur, today Sisco, Haute-Corse, followed.

On Corse, there had been a "burkini beach riot" this weekend: a beach brawl broke out between locals and families of North African origin due to photos being taken of women in burkinis.

Whilest the full-face veil is banned in public places in secular France, this is (still) impossible in Germany.
However, last weekend we had some new "burkini trouble" as well: a mother and her daughter, living since 23 years in Germany, were mobbed and insulted a thermal spa by other guests.
These two females were asked to use a different swim suit by officials from the spa. The 'state protection department' of the regional CID is investigating ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2016 12:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Whilest the full-face veil is banned in public places in secular France, this is (still) impossible in Germany.

Conservatives in Germany still mulling burqa ban
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German Chancellor Merkel's conservatives say they are considering a proposal to ban the wearing of full-face veils. This comes as a third French town forbids Muslim women to wear the "burkini" swimsuit while bathing.

Leading members of German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) on Monday held a long debate about banning the burqa amid internal party differences on the matter, according to participants at the meeting.
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The renewed debate on the wearing of the burqa comes despite the fact that Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, who also belongs to the CDU, last week rejected a general ban, saying "You can't forbid everything you reject."

At Monday's meeting, de Maiziere also reportedly pointed out legal problems associated with such a ban.

However, it seems likely that the interior ministers will propose a compromise, forbidding the wearing of the burqa in certain public situations, such as visits to administrative offices, including courts.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2016 01:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for keeping us up on this, Walter.

Somewhere in one of my swift glances at news items was that there was a ban happening (where? don't remember, but Mediterranean adjacent, I think a beach) that there was fear of them as cover re isis attacks. Too bad I didn't save the link.

Hell, graduating classes with long gowns and head mortarboards will be next to be banned..
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 09:51 pm
Just listened to a podcast on this ...

Quote:
the case of a 66-year-old working lifeguard who is suing New York State for age discrimination after refusing to wear a Speedo on the job.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/594/my-summer-self?act=1

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2016/05/66-year-old-law-firm-partnerlifeguard-wins-appeal-challenging-on-age-discrimination-grounds-requirem.html


This American Life transcript

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/594/transcript


Lifeguard Roy Lester said he lost his job after 40 years at the beach after he refused to wear a Speedo.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.948778.1318381082!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-lifeguard-roy-lester-jpg.jpg
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2016 04:48 pm
Moving on ...

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/22/490146/Italy-Rome-Dhuumcatu-Association-Germany

Quote:
Germany mulls ban on face veil

In another development on Friday, Germany proposed a draft bill to prohibit state officials from wearing face veils, citing what it describes as “communication” problems caused by such a covering.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 10:45 am
The latest goal of the Germans is to ban the full face veil worn by many observant Muslim women.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 10:55 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
The latest goal of the Germans is to ban the full face veil worn by many observant Muslim women.
I don't know - at least it's not a majority opinion here and no-one asked us, if it should be our 'goal'.

However, it has been said at the convention of the conservative party CDU: it should be, if legally possible, e.g. forbidden in courts, during police controls, when driving a car.

Those 'many', btw, are thought to be not more than 100 to perhaps 200, Muslima wearing the niqab are about 900 in Germany
Miller
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 11:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
To arrive at those figures, are we to assume that the German Gov. has a list of all Muslim women and how they present themselves in dress?

I remember the German Nazis during WW II and how they tabulated the number of lice on each Jewish prisoner's head during their "introduction" to the concentration camps. This accounting of lice, presents to me as an anal characteristic, and thus I'd assume that the tabulation of veil etc. wearing by Muslim women, living in Germany is likewise an anal personality trait.

Is the tabulation habit, genetically determined in those of German lineage?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 01:50 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
To arrive at those figures, are we to assume that the German Gov. has a list of all Muslim women and how they present themselves in dress?
I didn't mention that these were German government figures. How did you get that idea?

Actually, this number has been published (and re-published papers) by the German-Egyptian political scientist and critic of Islam, Hamed Abdel-Samad, is constantly quoted online as saying there are about 300 burqa wearers in Germany.
However, he told the weekly Die Zeit that it was more or less a guess.
The paper asked the major shops for Islamic fashion. The don't sell burqas at all in Germany but the face covering part of the hijab niqāb, "a handful of niqābs a year, often to women traveling to countries where the niqāb is worn" (Hamburg), "We sell on average four niqābs a month. But most of what we sell goes to theater or film production companies." (Berlin).
The paper concludes: It could be 300, but also 30 or 3,000. How many women wear a full-body veil can be measured statistically just as little as the number of women wearing jeans.

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