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Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

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mchol
 
Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 08:32 am
Is it considered murder to abort a fetus under 3 months?

Does a mother have a choice to decide what's best for her and the baby?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 08:39 am
Re: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
mchol wrote:
Is it considered murder to abort a fetus under 3 months?


No.

mchol wrote:
Does a mother have a choice to decide what's best for her and the baby?


Yes. Always and only.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 08:51 am
here we go again:

the dichotomy here is not right, and wrong; it is a war between rote belief in an obscenely outdated code of ethics, generated by an ancient hierarchy dependent on obedience to their strictly executed pronouncements, to maintain the control of the ruling class; with the new developments of scientific truth, and social justice.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 08:52 am
Truth, justice and the American way . . .


I usually don't vote in these things, but i feel strongly about this. It's the business of the woman in question, an not the business of anyone else.

An' if ya don't agree, yer mama sucks eggs.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 10:20 am
Wait, wait -- I do agree, and yet she sucks eggs anyway. Please explain.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 10:35 am
I am always at a loss to explain anything about you dog, but you smell alright, so i like ya . . .
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Equus
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 10:57 am
This is a tough issue. I think personally I would allow unquestioned abortions if
1) the life/health of the the mother is at stake
2) there is something wrong with the fetus such that it will be born significantly malformed or mentally disabled (but, who decides what is 'significantly'?)
3) the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest

In other cases, I LEAN pro-choice, but agree that abortion shouldn't be used as afterthought birth control. I think there is nothing wrong with requiring a woman to be counseled on options to abortion before going through with the procedure. I also think there should be at least some consideration to any objections to the abortion by a committed father.
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Jer
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 11:02 am
More on this topic can be found here...
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 11:55 am
BoGoWo wrote:
here we go again:

the dichotomy here is not right, and wrong; it is a war between rote belief in an obscenely outdated code of ethics, generated by an ancient hierarchy dependent on obedience to their strictly executed pronouncements, to maintain the control of the ruling class; with the new developments of scientific truth, and social justice.

Finely expressed sentiments, but, in the context of this discussion, practically meaningless.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 12:01 pm
Equus wrote:
This is a tough issue. I think personally I would allow unquestioned abortions if
1) the life/health of the the mother is at stake
2) there is something wrong with the fetus such that it will be born significantly malformed or mentally disabled (but, who decides what is 'significantly'?)
3) the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest

In other cases, I LEAN pro-choice, but agree that abortion shouldn't be used as afterthought birth control. I think there is nothing wrong with requiring a woman to be counseled on options to abortion before going through with the procedure. I also think there should be at least some consideration to any objections to the abortion by a committed father.


Of course, there's no way to know if 1, 2, or 3 apply unless you question. I believe all abortions should be unquestioned.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 12:41 pm
If someone could explain, how "murder" can be "legalised" ... (must have missed something in "Philosophy of Law" classes :wink: )
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:34 pm
Partial birth abortion= legalized murder.
Capital punishment= legalized murder.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:35 pm
invasion of Iraq=legalized murder
and the beat goes on, and on, and on.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:36 pm
Yep, dys.

<thinking of more...>
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:42 pm
oh yeah, we got from Nader driving a Corvair was legalized murder-self inflicted (did Kerry drive a Corvair?)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:47 pm
Geo W. Shrub attempting to speak English=murder
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:51 pm
nah, aggravated assault at worst
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Gala
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:58 pm
prochoice-- all the way. even as a form of birth control. it's better to not have unwanted children in the world.

i heard this conservative professor talk about one of his 19 year old students who got knocked up so she had a shot-gun wedding because she was keeping the baby.

professor: "she's taking responsibility for her actions"

me: "what about him taking some responsibility and using condoms?"

why o' why, or may i say, more often than not, is the responsibility put on the woman when it is men who are making the laws about abortion. it really burns my keester.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:10 pm
Sofia wrote:
Partial birth abortion= legalized murder.
Capital punishment= legalized murder.


Murder is the act of killing another human being with "malice aforethought".
Malice aforethought is defined to be the intent to kill or to inflict bodily injury, either express or implied.

Legal, established by or founded upon law or official or accepted rules.

Murder is illegal in almost every society and actually can't ever be legal qua definitionem.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 03:44 pm
Walter: I think "legalized murder" is a deliberate ambiguity, intended to highlight the contradictions that some perceive to be inherent in the pro-choice abortion position. Of course, murder can no more be legalized than one can listen to the sound of one hand clapping. It's a conundrum -- or a koan.
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