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Tue 19 Apr, 2016 11:02 pm
chipmonk
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chipmonk
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chipmonk
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I have yet to recieve a satisfactory rebuttle to this argument. Hopefully, this time around , my opponent will not use critical fallacies one after another in place of his argument. If you do not know what a "fallacy" is, please do not accept this debate.
There are no rules in logical debates. The only rule is that you be logical. If you are illogical , or only want to discuss things based on a matter of your own opinion, please do not accept this debate.
I present 3 constructs, in which i argue each is a logical truth on its own.. As well as my final conclusion being deduced from the combination of all three constructs. You can attempt to refute any part of my construct, definitions or logic. Just please do so logically.
My resolution is "Atheism is a lie."
Below is my logical argument supporting my resolution.
Theism. Belief in God
Atheism. Disbelief in God.
A LIE. Deception. Pretending. Acting. Hypocrisy. To decieve another or give another a false or inaccurate depiction of the truth.
Belief...assumption of truth with or without evidence
Disbelief assumption of falsehood due to a lack or contradictory evidence.
Faith. An assertive Belief without valid evidence.
Knowing. An assertive belief with valid evidence.
Construct 1
Premise1 : no one can know if God exists of not.
Premise2: to claim to know is to have valid evidence
Conclusion: whoever claims to know if God exists or not, is a liar.
Construct 2
Premise 1: Believers claim they have faith God exists.
Premise 2: to have faith is a belief without valid evidence (see defintions)
Conclusion: Believers do not claim to "know" if God exists.
Construct 3
Premise 1: Atheists claim they disbelieve God exists.
Premise 2: disbelief or rejection of a claim is based on a lack of valid evidence and an abundance of contradictory evidence. (See definitions)
Conclusion: Atheists claim to "know" if God exists.
Final Conclusion.: Atheism is a lie by definition and logic.
Now my question is this. Why do atheists feel the need to lie?
@Bythewayside,
Among other nonsense, your 'argument' appears to depend on assumptions about the definitions of 'existence' and 'evidence'. Both of these are up for grabs, so you have basically produced an ill constructed 'dangle the bait' post to catch those who, like you, just want a futile argument.
Why do assholes like you feel a need to feed your ego this way is a more relevant question.
I will tell you the absolute truth. Chipmonk is not a word in English. However, chipmunk is a word in English. Ain't irony a wonderful thing?
@Setanta,
Truth is relative, look here:
Lost on a rainy night, a nun stumbles across a monastery and requests shelter there.
Fortunately, she's just in time for dinner and was treated to the best fish and chips she's ever had.
After dinner, she goes into the kitchen to thank the chefs.
She is met by two brothers.
Hello, I'm Brother Michael, and this is Brother Charles.
I'm very pleased to meet you. I just wanted to thank you for a wonderful dinner. The fish and chips were the best I've ever tasted. Out of curiosity, who cooked what?
Brother Charles replied, Well, I'm the fish friar.
She turns the other brother and says, Then you must be...?
Yes, I'm afraid I'm the chip monk.
(I have some more in store).
This may come as a surprise to those of you not living in Las Vegas, but there are more Catholic Churches than casinos (in Vegas).
Not surprisingly, some worshipers at Sunday Services will give casino chips rather than cash when the basket is passed. Since they get chips from many different casinos, the churches have devised a method to collect the offerings.
The churches send all their collected chips to a nearby Franciscan monastery for sorting. Then the chips are taken to the casinos of origin and cashed in.
This is done by the chip monks.
Keep your silliness for someone else, i'm not interested. Chip monk is two words, and it remains true that chipmonk is not a word in English. Apart from that, it is very likely that potatoes were unknown in England in 1541, when the last of the monasteries were suppressed, in the reign of Henry VIII. Francis Drake, who was only born in 1540, is credited with introducing the potato to England after he returned from his circumnavigation in 1580, in the reign of the first Queen Elizabeth, the daughter of Henry VIII.
Jesus, you're being pathetic now.
That's ok, I'll keep my jokes for myself..
As an aside, you certainly know that I, too, know that chipmonk is not a word.
@Bythewayside,
Quote:Construct 2
Premise 1: Believers claim they have faith God exists.
Premise 2: to have faith is a belief without valid evidence (see defintions)
Conclusion: Believers do not claim to "know" if God exists.
In Premise 1: You could have just as validly said:
Believers claim they believe God exists.
It changes the whole dynamic of your resolution given your definitions.
And what WAS all that about 'Chipmonks' for?
@Bythewayside,
Your Quote:
Conclusion: whoever claims to know if God exists or not, is a liar.
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So do you call yourself a liar or an agnostic? Or maybe both?
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Which holy order do the Chipmonks belong to?
@Leadfoot,
Quote:And what WAS all that about 'Chipmonks' for?
Have you not heard the holy Trinitarian belief in Alvin, Simon and the Holy Theodore?
@Smileyrius,
Good one Smiley, that made me laugh...
Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows? Who the frigging frack really cares?
(Apologies to Sean Connery,a.k.a.Ramirez from Highlander the comedy)
@mark noble,
The plural for a door through which you leave a room or building
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