Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 01:23 am
@maxdancona,
I don't hear anyone explaining this to the young Berners who are pissed off about it and expressing their anger on Facebook. They're a touchy lot about Clinton and DNC shenanigans that could screw the Bernster's bid for the nomination. So, for that matter, are the middle-age and geezer Berners.

Obama pretty quickly got the backing of big shots in the Party. The Kennedys came out for him before or shortly after New Hampshire and the rest quickly fell into step. I don't see that happening any time soon for Sanders.

The whole point of the Super Delegate, no matter what party officials may say, is to create a fire-wall to stop the advance of popular populist candidates who catch fire and convince a lot of voters to feel the Bern themselves. I don't think the Bosses were ever all that concerned, per se, about a radical seizing the day and the nomination as much as they were worried about a candidate who they don't think could win the presidency.

In Sanders they have two fears: Can he win the general election, and if he does, will he make good on his implied promise to clean house and conduct the business of running the country in a way that doesn't offer as much opportunity for nest feathering?

I don't think that in 2008 too many people thought Obama couldn't win the general election. They might not have loved his chances, but "America will never elect a black man to be our president" didn't occupy as firm a seat in conventional wisdom back then as "America will never elect a socialist."

Most of the party leaders are and were in 2008, supporters of Clinton and those that had reason to hate and/or fear her, I think, saw Obama's potential for a historical victory as good cover for them shifting support away from Hillary. Very few people are feeling a tingling up and down their legs over the possibility of a socialist or, for that matter, the first Jewish one. An old Jewish socialist from Brooklyn NY is not sitting squarely on "the right side of history."

I'm not predicting the party will end up screwing him out of the nomination, because I don't think its bosses feel they need to . There are plenty of reasons his momentum could come to a shrieking halt in in the South and end up in defeat, but there is more than a small chance that he could win, and unless their internal polling (never mind the rubbish that bounces all over the place in the public polling) shows he has a real shot at winning in November, the temptation to use trickery to deprive him of the chance, will be strong.

Neither party wants to lose in a landslide and not just because it's humiliating and the Enemy gets the big prize. Landslide elections tend to take down the entire party of the loser, and it's not easy to come back to competitiveness after one. No Democrat wants another loss on the scale of of McGovern's, Carter's and Mondale's. Congressmen and Senators who are vying for the opportunity to preserve their stay at the DC Ritz (i.e. Congress) or a chance to get their first room there won't be happy if the head of the Democrat ticket in November is a death spiraling loser, and will put pressure on the Party bosses to "do something."

You're right that the fact that the election is under the microscope of the press will make it tougher to pull off any chicanery, but not impossible, and haven't all you Berners been complaining that the press is, if not out to get your Man, is very willing, ready and able to favor Clinton? You may find yourself in the position Republicans have owned for decades. All sorts of crap can go on, but if the press doesn't treat in seriously and make a big deal of it, neither will the American people.

I wouldn't want to see anything like that happen because it's wrong and obviously not the way our system is supposed to work, and then there's the effect it might have on young people who are new to the process.Do I worry that young idealists who Bernie has attracted to the process and who stand right at the edge of cynicism,will have their scales tipped by a DNC hosing of Sanders, and perhaps never return to it? Hell no! Look at what these knuckleheads did when they were motivated to use their votes in 2008 and again in 2012. There is an almost a non-existent chance that anyone (of any age) who wants to see Bernie in the White House will vote for a conservative in the next three or four presidential elections, so if dirty tricks, designed to keep the nomination from Sanders, are played and a large segment of voters is turned off to voting by a corrupt process, that's A-OK by me. Should any of them have an epiphany sometime down the road that converts them to the conservative cause, it will also have the power to shock them back into the process of voting.

I don't think it's at all a foregone conclusion that if she gets the nomination, Clinton will win the presidency but she very possibly could. I don't want Sanders to be the Democrat standard bearer because I'm certain he will lose, but because should he get it, I can be certain that Clinton will certainly not win. Depending on what happens with the e-mail investigation, she could be easier to beat in November than Sanders, but I prefer that there not be any chance that she could pull it off.


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Robert Gentel
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 05:42 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
It will certainly be better for the US if we have more open trade with the world. But I think the world benefits even more than the US does.

Conversely, I think the world will suffer even more than the US if there is a lack of trade.


Sure, but I am not seeing it only through the context of competition. It is worse for everyone. It is not a good thing.

Quote:
Anyway, bad news on the trade front. Trump plans to destroy global free trade. I don't like that idea very much, but there isn't much that I can do about it.


I don't think even he would be stupid enough to do the things he says on trade. It would destroy the economy. That is something that would legitimately cause a revolution.

Quote:
I certainly favor trying negotiations before we bomb. The Iraq war, in retrospect, makes it pretty clear that having UN inspectors crawling all over a country is actually very effective at curtailing WMD programs.

But if we had failed in the negotiations and had no other way of stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons, I don't see why bombing wouldn't have worked as a last resort.


Because it can only work insofar as it can set them back a few years, and the cost of doing so is immeasurably greater than the gain. So if we did it, and they decided to break out in response they would eventually have a nuclear weapon. We aren't going to occupy them over it so bombing a reactor now and then is not going to work except insofar as it might be able to deter them and change their minds.

Ultimately if Iran wants nukes badly enough they will have them, there's nothing we can do to stop them in that case because the only options that work (invading and occupying the country for 20 years) are decidedly worse than them having nukes.

If Iran does not develop nuclear capacity it will be because of both our hard power and our soft power, but mainly the soft power. Our economic influence is a carrot we used to bring them to the table. They are not concerned with us invading them because they know that's just not in the cards right now. Even if we had the resources to jump right into another messy war they know there is no political capital for it, the American people would not accept a war in order to prevent them from developing nukes. After Iraq, "we need to invade Iran to stop them from developing WMDs!" is something that is just not gonna fly with Americans for a generation or so.
roger
 
  3  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 06:02 pm
@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

I don't think even he would be stupid enough to do the things he says on trade. It would destroy the economy. That is something that would legitimately cause a revolution.


You might be underestimating him. On the other hand, some have suggested that his outrageous statements are solely for the election. Do we really need someone who has, and continues to misrepresent himself?
Robert Gentel
 
  4  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 06:05 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I'm not sure. But I think those signature strikes where we bomb without knowing who we are hitting are responsible for most of the damage we've done to al-Qa'ida, and al-Qa'ida might be a much more serious threat right now if we hadn't carried them out.


I don't mind most of the prosecution of the drone campaign against al-Qaeda, however it is worth remembering that the majority were not al-Qaeda and were insurgents to the war in Afghanistan and I thought that got to the point of a stupid vicious cycle. Where we were bombing insurgents for force protection but that ten years into the war we were not making any significant gains and the insurgents are always going to exist when there is an occupying invader.

I don't object to the strategy or tactic as much as I do to the fact that it kept on going long past the time it was valuable just because we needed time for the country to come to terms with the realization that we weren't going to reach our goals. Till that could become politically palatable domestically we stayed on in Afghanistan in a vicious cycle of bombing, causing insurgents to our presence and bombing them too.

There came a point in the Afghanistan war where the actions we were taking were immoral, in my view, because they were no longer strategically justifiable but it was not politically palatable to admit it.

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The fact that we no longer will be able to single-handedly dominate the entire world won't matter much to me, because that's something I never cared about doing to begin with.


I think there's more to it than that (our average quality of life will be lower, because we also cannot dominate economically as much) but I agree with your overall outlook in that the "decline" of the USA is not a horrible thing.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 06:16 pm
@Robert Gentel,
With the US representing only five percent of the world population, it's logistically impossible for us to be the world's police.
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Robert Gentel
 
  2  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 06:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Hey Berners! Still think your guy can win the nomination?


I don't identify as a Bernie guy, though I prefer Bernie to Hilary, but I've always expected Hilary to win. I've been predicting a Democratic victory and specifically her as the next president since the last election.

Bernie and Trump are the kind of outliers that can make such predictions fail, and I could not have and did not foresee them and the dynamics they bring to the election but I still see this as Hilary's election to win so far.
Robert Gentel
 
  2  
Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2016 06:19 pm
@roger,
Yeah it's bullshit but everyone does this on trade. The official US position is for more trade agreements but because the public (erroneously) believes that is bad for us economically they have to pretend like they hate free trade during silly season.

In any case even if he were to try, I think that business interests or the market reacting to it in advance would be pressure enough to change most people's minds.

But yeah, it's not like I want to see my opinion tested either. I feel bad for sane Republicans these days having to deal with that clown.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:01 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

I don't identify as a Bernie guy, though I prefer Bernie to Hilary, but I've always expected Hilary to win. I've been predicting a Democratic victory and specifically her as the next president since the last election.


You and 50 million other prognosticators, but that was (as you've noted) before Trump and Sanders made their appearance on the stage. It was also before it was appreciated just how many Americans believe her to be untrustworthy and before her e-mail troubles started (I know that you and others don't believe the e-mail scandal is much of a problem for her, but it's a big source of her negative ratings among those polled, and I think the chances of her being indicted before the election have become greater not lesser.

You wrote:
Bernie and Trump are the kind of outliers that can make such predictions fail, and I could not have and did not foresee them and the dynamics they bring to the election but I still see this as Hilary's election to win so far. [/q]

I didn't foresee the stir caused by Trump and Sanders either, but this doesn't mean we couldn't have. Trump has played with running for the nomination before, and the eventual outcome of those dalliances would, understandably have discounted the possibility of his being the front-runner, but predicting his interest and an attempt would not have required the gift of Nostradamus.

Sanders was talking about running for president in 2016 as far back as 2013 and as an enormous fan of Eugene Debs, it's only surprising that he hasn't already run at least once. Again, predicting his entry into the 2016 contest wouldn't have required a crystal ball.

I believe if anyone had given careful consideration to the attitude of the American people, at the time Trump and Sanders threw their hats in the ring, they could have reached the accurate conclusion that a sizeable number of them wanted to see big, dramatic changes in the way things are done in government and politics, and that they would be attracted to "outsiders."

Republicans have for quite some time been longing for a businessman to sit in the Oval Office and Romney's attraction in 2012 had a whole lot more to do with his business career over the years, than his stint as Governor of Massachusetts. In fact, one might make a good argument that his history has a public servant hurt him more than helped him with Republican voters.

Democrats have become increasingly more leftist over the years, and this includes those being elected as well as the rank & file. The "success" of OccupyWallStreet (if anything that came of that theater of the absurd can be called a "success."), among Democrats could easily have been seen as a forecast of a large and growing constituency for socialism. That Debbie Wasserman Schultz, infamously, couldn't explain the difference between a "Democrat" and a "socialist," was evidence of the advancing evolution. That she was loathe to answer the question, was a good indication that the Party insiders weren't properly gauging their constituents, and still believed that "Americans would never elect a socialist to the presidency." I appreciate that liberals considered the predictions/warnings of conservatives like me, that the Democrat Party was increasingly heading in that direction, to be hyperbole and libel rolled into one, but we have been saying this for some time now, and not just as rote criticism. Who was more likely than Sanders to run as an unabashed socialist comrade?

I do think that it would have taken some pure guesswork to predict Trump becoming the focal point of a large segment of Americans who have become sick to death of politics, the perceived weakness and betrayal of a GOP given the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014, and a decaying culture where people are offended and angered by the statement that all lives matter, that a widely read periodical might fabricate or not bother to properly investigate a campus rape case, and where political leaders not only refuse to identify terrorists killing Americans as Islamic extremists, but announce they are more concerned with a backlash against Muslims that Muslim's killing non-Muslims, but that they had reached and exceeded the saturation point should have been clear to all.

You are not alone in believing that Clinton remains the favorite to win the nomination. Barring an indictment of a Grand Jury, I agree that she is because I don't think Bernie will have the same level of success in states like SC, and Texas and she's all the Democrats have, but defining her status of the election as her's to lose, as many although not you, is telling, or, at least, it doesn't have the same casual air to it as it has in the past. She is more than capable of losing an election that she should win. She will get caught in another big lie before the convention is held, she will continue to ignore the advice of her husband, and she will only listen to the sycophants in her campaign.

As for the general election, that's far, far less of a sure thing and is not, at all, entirely in her hands. There's an excellent chance that Trump will not only win the GOP nomination (as much as I hate to type that statement), but attract far more minority voters than most "experts" expect, as well as a a fair number of Berners who will be totally pissed of when Clinton beats their guy. She is going to need Trump, or whomever the GOP nominee is, to make a big mistake during the last couple of months before the election. So far Trump supporters are more emboldened than repulsed by his so-called mistakes, but I do think that those who become Trumpeteers late in the games, and only with some reluctance, will be susceptible to a being chased away by a major gaffe.

Clinton will have to win the election not just not lose it. Having secured the GOP standard, Trump is likely to return to vague comments about how he likes the idea of single-payer health insurance and taxing the mega-rich. He's not going to present the stark contrast with Clinton that so many (including her) are hoping for.

I didn't think Obama has a prayer to get re-elected in 2012, for what I still believe were logical reasons, but they were all based on voters making logical decisions, not simply decisions that I approved of and thus thought were smart, but decisions that were consistent with patterns that could be seen in the voting in 2008. That they didn't, in some way makes the least logical outcome to be the most likely, because emotion, not logic drives voting decisions of a yooge number of Americans. I've said this for years but only came to believe it after 2012. The popularity of Trump and Sanders confirms the premise for me now.


Blickers
 
  2  
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 07:30 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote Finn:
Quote:
It was also before it was appreciated just how many Americans believe her to be untrustworthy and before her e-mail troubles started

One thing to remember: What seems to interest voters months before the election are often not the same things that interest voters after September. In 2008 and 2012, there was all this talk months before the election about illegal immigration, it was a hot topic. The last weeks before Election Day, nobody was talking about it anymore.

If the Republicans think they are going to pound away about Email servers when other Secretaries of State have admitted using private Emails for government business, well, okay. But I think post-election, we'll be hearing the sore losers making statements like, "America has lost its moral fiber, we couldn't get anyone interested in those Emails".
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 07:39 pm
@Blickers,
I'm not sure why the subject of email supersedes so many issues that directly affects Americans. This country has gone bonkers in more ways than one!
Blickers
 
  3  
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 07:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I agree. You have to be pretty hard core conservative to care about Emails.
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Blickers
 
  2  
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 07:51 pm
To borrow from Jeb Bush: You are not going to Emails your way into the White House.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 08:15 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:
Sure, but I am not seeing it only through the context of competition. It is worse for everyone. It is not a good thing.

You don't need to convince me that it's bad. I already know it is. But I'm unable to stop it from happening. Noting that the worst impact will fall outside the US is just my way of making the best of a bad situation.


Robert Gentel wrote:
I don't think even he would be stupid enough to do the things he says on trade. It would destroy the economy. That is something that would legitimately cause a revolution.

Mr. Trump is setting himself up as someone who is going to do what he says, as opposed to a typical politician who will pander and then change their minds.

I think he really does mean to do what he says.


Robert Gentel wrote:
Because it can only work insofar as it can set them back a few years, and the cost of doing so is immeasurably greater than the gain.

I don't perceive any cost to the US bombing Iran's nuclear sites. I favor negotiation because I think UN inspectors will be more effective than bombing, not because I think bombing has a cost to us.

If Iran rebuilds after being set back a few years, we could just bomb their new nuclear sites. And maybe bomb economic targets so they have to start choosing between nuclear weapons and food.


Robert Gentel wrote:
Ultimately if Iran wants nukes badly enough they will have them, there's nothing we can do to stop them in that case because the only options that work (invading and occupying the country for 20 years) are decidedly worse than them having nukes.

I think bombing can suffice. No need for invasions.

The costs of allowing Iran to have nukes would be catastrophic (unless we could convince the world to isolate them with sanctions like with North Korea). If Iran were allowed to get away with having nuclear weapons, it would mean the end of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and the spread of nuclear weapons to nations around the world, with an eventual nuclear war.


Robert Gentel wrote:
I think there's more to it than that (our average quality of life will be lower, because we also cannot dominate economically as much) but I agree with your overall outlook in that the "decline" of the USA is not a horrible thing.

I don't think the rise of other powers will necessarily decrease our average quality of life. Assuming we are able to trade with those powers, it may even increase our average quality of life.

I honestly don't see us as declining. If another power rises in an area that we are not trying to dominate to begin with, I don't see that as impacting us in any significant way.


Robert Gentel wrote:
Yeah it's bullshit but everyone does this on trade. The official US position is for more trade agreements but because the public (erroneously) believes that is bad for us economically they have to pretend like they hate free trade during silly season.

In any case even if he were to try, I think that business interests or the market reacting to it in advance would be pressure enough to change most people's minds.

But yeah, it's not like I want to see my opinion tested either.

It might be a good idea for pro-business Republicans to get the TPP passed into law before the nomination is settled. They might be able to prevent Mr. Trump from repealing the law after he takes office.


Robert Gentel wrote:
I feel bad for sane Republicans these days having to deal with that clown.

It's going to be worse for the Democrats than for the Republicans. Trump is going to reshape the Republican Party to fit his views, but I'm upping my electoral predictions now to say that the Republicans are guaranteed to win the next five presidential elections.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 10:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not sure why the subject of email supersedes so many issues that directly affects Americans. This country has gone bonkers in more ways than one!


It doesn't, but it's not a small thing as folks like Blicker would have us believe.

First of all, if she is indicted as a result of her e-mail, I assure you that it will be a "large thing." She and her supporters will follow the Clinton playbook and mount a vicious attack against whatever federal prosecutor sought the indictment, but she'll have a hard time making it stick. The notion that the DOJ in a Democrat administration is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy to take her down is ludicrous on its face and will not get any traction outside the ranks of her faithful.

Even if there is no criminal proceeding, the e-mail affair is a good reflection of the flaws in her character, and she, after all, has offered herself as the best choice to be our president:

1) She arrogantly believes she is above the rules; above the law. She knew full well what the proper protocol was, and there is evidence that members of her staff warned her (albeit tepidly) that her chosen method was, at least, problematic. Even if other Cabinet officials engaged in the same practice to the same extent she did (and they did not), it would not be an excuse. Only the Clintons think "other people did it too" is a serious defense.

2) She places her own self-interest over that of the country's. She wanted her official e-mail kept private and under her sole control for reasons that benefited her alone. Enough prominent people have indicated the practice presented a serious security risk and there is a consensus among many that US adversaries almost certainly hacked her private and poorly protected server. At the very least she was attempting to hide e-mail that could be used against her in her bid for the presidency and if anyone believed her when she said that there was a single moment in, at least, the last 15 years when she wasn't fully committed to becoming president, then they have been asleep since the Clintons emerged on the national stage, or are fools. At worst she wanted to hide e-mail that demonstrated she was using her office for the purpose of enriching herself through "donations" to the Clinton Foundation in exchange for "favors" from the US Secretary of State. This is unlikely to ever be proven using her e-mail since if any existed they were surely the first of the 30,000 or so to be deleted. This issue is not wild partisan speculation as the Clinton Foundation has been seriously criticized for possibly impropriety by non-partisan entities as well as those most would consider "liberal."

3) She has demonstrated throughout this affair the uniquely twisted relationship she has with the truth and which she shares with her husband. She has been carefully parsing her words in the manner of "It depend upon what the definition of "is" is" or simply lying outright.

All any liberal needs to do is ask themselves how they would be reacting to these facts if they were associated with a Republican.
Blickers
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 11:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
If an indictment comes down, this might indeed amount to something. However, aside from the many Republican prayers being sent heavenward nightly, there is no indication that this will happen. The previous Secretary of State said that he used private Email accounts for the same purposes, and the idea of re-categorizing some documents she sent, after the fact, as Classified will not convince anyone that there is anything serious here, outside of the folks who listen to their talk radio heroes all day. And they're not voting Democratic anyway, so that won't affect the election.
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rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 11:20 am
Here's an interesting site: https://electionbettingodds.com

In general I find that betting odds are far more accurate than polls when it comes to actual results. People are far more objective with their money than they are with their opinions.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2016 11:35 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Here's an interesting site: https://electionbettingodds.com

In general I find that betting odds are far more accurate than polls when it comes to actual results. People are far more objective with their money than they are with their opinions.

Thanks for the link. I just mentioned that I might want to look for just that sort of site.
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Robert Gentel
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Feb, 2016 04:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Mr. Trump is setting himself up as someone who is going to do what he says, as opposed to a typical politician who will pander and then change their minds.

I think he really does mean to do what he says.


I think almost every politician tries to frame themselves that way, I am less convinced than you than Trump is as decisive as he portrays himself.

Quote:
I don't perceive any cost to the US bombing Iran's nuclear sites.


I know but I find this worldview too simplistic. There are undeniable costs to bombing other countries.

Quote:
I favor negotiation because I think UN inspectors will be more effective than bombing, not because I think bombing has a cost to us.


Then this is a cost. An opportunity cost. Bombing will kill all cooperation we have on this, we'll become the bad guys. You can just say you don't care etc about the world and their opinions since we can just bomb everyone and all but that does matter. We will see a further reduction in our soft power, what you described as the more effective power in this situation.

Quote:
If Iran rebuilds after being set back a few years, we could just bomb their new nuclear sites. And maybe bomb economic targets so they have to start choosing between nuclear weapons and food.


That is the kind of thing that may well result in sanctions against the US. And I don't share the notion that that is all just fine because it will hurt other countries.

Bombing economic targets in Iran will have precisely one country in favor (Israel, and even that will be controversial in their country) and unite the entire world against us. This would be a coup of political capital for Iran and will do nothing but delay things and cause us economic and political harm.

I get that you just don't care about this harm and like to think our might just makes right but that is really where our views drastically differ.

Quote:
I think bombing can suffice. No need for invasions.


We can't find them all, and they can fortify them even further (to the point that we'd have to use tactical nukes, which would just not fly, to use nukes to kill a nuclear program that might merely produce nukes).

Bottom line is that outside of Israel bombing a sovereign country over the concern of non-proliferation is seen as insane and would make the US a global pariah. Iran has no obligation like Iraq with the UN and there is no legal basis whatsoever for this act. This would turn our allies against us and for little to no strategic gain.

Quote:
The costs of allowing Iran to have nukes would be catastrophic (unless we could convince the world to isolate them with sanctions like with North Korea).


No, it wouldn't. It is not ideal, but represents a negligible risk. Bombing Iran represents a much bigger risk of regional conflict (they could decide to retaliate at Israel and we could get drawn into a ground war).

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If Iran were allowed to get away with having nuclear weapons, it would mean the end of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and the spread of nuclear weapons to nations around the world, with an eventual nuclear war.


This is a slippery slope argument. It is not ideal to have more countries have nuclear weapons, and yes it will inspire the Saudis and others to pursue it but it won't be the end of the world and nuclear war is not inevitable (just made incrementally more likely, of course).

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I don't think the rise of other powers will necessarily decrease our average quality of life. Assuming we are able to trade with those powers, it may even increase our average quality of life.


It already has. The current generation of Americans is not facing the same economic prospects of their parents or grandparents.

Quote:
I honestly don't see us as declining.


I honestly don't think you are capable of seeing us declining, for sentimental reason.

Quote:
It's going to be worse for the Democrats than for the Republicans. Trump is going to reshape the Republican Party to fit his views, but I'm upping my electoral predictions now to say that the Republicans are guaranteed to win the next five presidential elections.


Well you certainly are consistent in your strength of conviction about things you want to happen. I am of the worldview that there is no way to have non-superficial predictions that far out, and that it represents a failure to acknowledge the role of random, situational factors that are simply not predictable.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Feb, 2016 04:45 pm
@Robert Gentel,
oralloy hasn't thought through what would happen in the event Iran used its nuclear weapon. The consequences would be devastating for their country.
Robert Gentel
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Feb, 2016 06:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Iran doesn't yet have a nuclear weapon.
 

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