HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECOGNIZE AT THE UNIVERSE THAT THE REAL CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE REALLY EXISTS?

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(unfortunately this is incredibly difficult for this mankind)
Men can create NOTHING with their logic (all has a cause) and power ,
only make something out of already existing .
THAT shows , that the universe ONLY can have been created by an unimaginable superior logic and power .
Unimaginable superior logic means : the causes (for the universe) are
unimaginable higher than our causes .
Who can really grasp that , knows , that the real creator of the universe
really exists !
MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !
And how do we know , what we have to do here ?
We have from our creator of the universe reason , logic and moral .
With that we can recognize , what we have to do here :
We must learn to live in real harmony (circa : caring , responsible , sharing)
with his creation - men and nature .
But that is only possible more than a little , when we are able to recognize
at the universe that the real creator of the universe really exists .
Till now the mankind could not do that , because our egoism and
megalomania (both are also in the religions) block us .
And till now I could not find anybody else , who could grasp that .

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@manden,

Good morning bro,

I am in full support, in regards to your point about humans fabricating a human God, while all of these descriptions lack any chance of surviving a thorough, emotion free, technical examination, and still retain a fraction of a chance to be an accurate guess.

Humans are in a constant struggle for survival,
The common set up of the human logic requires one to put most of his emphasis, on gathering as much knowledge about his environment as possible,

Just like in every war, there is a very intense and complex battle, taking place in the info department (espionage),

And that is many times within the first four most decisive factors of the wars outcome.

Same is applicable in our war against our annihilating obstacles.

The immense pressure and obsession, to know all there is, about our enemies and assistants in this complicated struggle.

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@think rethink,

Good morning .
The real topic here is that we - the mankind - must try to recognize at the universe
that the real creator (more oh him is not recognizable) of the universe really exists .
That is possible - but incredibly difficult for this ill mankind .
The way I have described in my theme post .
TRY IT ! Perhaps it takes many years till there is a progress .
BUT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THE MANKIND !

Please short , exact and logical statements and questions to the point .

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Oh look, two people who don't speak English worth a damn babbling at each other. Ain't that cute?

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@manden,

Herewith join the babble

Man, I've found a half-dozen OP's regarding "HOW S IT...." so I suppose I might pick this'n'

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Men can create NOTHING with their logic (all has a cause) and power ,

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only make something out of already existing .

I guess so, depending on what you mean by "create"

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THAT shows , that the universe ONLY can have been created by an unimaginable superior logic and power .

But then why did the Universe even have to be created

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Unimaginable superior logic means : the causes (for the universe) are
unimaginable higher than our causes .

That again presumes She needs a cause. Maybe She's a natural phenom; that is, some day it will be shown that She simply hasta be, for anything else to be true

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.... that the real creator of the universe really exists . Till now the mankind could not do that , because our egoism and
megalomania (both are also in the religions) block us....

Some truth to that, Que. Our logic isn't yet so well developed that we can address such abstract issues as Think above suggests. But in time, it might....

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@dalehileman,

That is right one .
Men cannot create anything with their logic and power - in short .
The creator knows why he created the universe .
We cannot recognize the causes how the universe was made , because our
logic is much too low .
As long as the creator does not give us higher logic , our logic cannot change .

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@manden,

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That is right one .

Not sure Que what's right but thanks anyhow

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Men cannot create anything with their logic and power - in short .

Very dubious observation, forgive me Que

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The creator knows why he created the universe .

As I might have mentioned, most likely She didn't create it because It, She, was always there in one form or another... and She knows why She has to exist, She doesn't have a choice in the matter, She hasta

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We cannot recognize the causes how the universe was made , because our
logic is much too low .

At risk of repetition, I can't agree. There's so much we don't yet know, that Her Real Nature will eventually become more and more apparent

....so it's much too early to adopt a rigid position such as yours, Que. Forgive

As long as the creator does not give us higher logic , our logic cannot change .

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@dalehileman,

Sorry , there is no basis , you have no clear opinion .

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@manden,

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...you have no clear opinion

Sorry about that Den, it might be my old age. However unclear I have lots of opinions but if you'd specify one or two....

In any case been a pleasure chatting

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@dalehileman,

Sorry , but my perception bases ONLY on reason and logic and the s u r e
facts of the universe !
I could recognize at the existence of the universe that the real creator of the
universe (MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE) really exists .
This mankind could NOT do it in past and presence !
That would be almost the WHOLE RENT for the mankind .
But I cannot give my perception further , because this mankind is very indoctrinated by the false religions and the false human ideologies .
I will try it further .

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@manden,

However I'd agree with you Den that wholeness quiets infinite phenomena; and thus your position deflects my inadequate reasoning abilities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/01/the-kinds-of-people-who-confuse-total-nonsense-for-something-really-deep/

But do feel free to ask me something that your Average Clod (me) might understand--eg, short words in the usual order, and I'll attempt a response, however inadequate

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@dalehileman,

Please one short , clear and logical statement or question .
I have problems to understand you - please use mostly simple words and to
the point .
The answer to the topic - question is : it is possible to recognize at the existence of the universe that the real creator of the universe really exists .
I have explained that a little more . Can you a little bit grasp that ?
Where is your problem ? (I know it is incredibly difficult , but the all deciding
thing)

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@manden,

manden wrote:

Good morning .
The real topic here is that we - the mankind - must try to recognize at the universe
that the real creator (more oh him is not recognizable) of the universe really exists .
That is possible - but incredibly difficult for this ill mankind .
The way I have described in my theme post .
TRY IT ! Perhaps it takes many years till there is a progress .
BUT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THE MANKIND !

Please short , exact and logical statements and questions to the point .

OK. Why?

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@FBM,

This question is right !
Why must we recognize , that the real creator of the universe - more of him
is not recognizable - really exists ?
BECAUSE THE MANKIND TILL NOW COULD NOT RECOGNIZE IT !
And for what must we know that ?
Because ONLY when we know that , we are able to do , what we have to do here : to treat his creation as well as possible !
Or with other words : to learn to live in real harmony with his creation - men and nature .
(look at this world in past and presence and you can see : it is almost free from the orientation to the real creator of universe . No wonder they don't know him)

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@manden,

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No wonder they don't know him)

It would be great if you could present some evidence such that we might get to know him.

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@FBM,

Again : you must try to grasp what is written in the topic post !

I said that that is incredibly difficult for this corrupt , ill mankind .

That means you must change (perhaps completely) .

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@manden,

From the OP, I can glean that you're not a native speaker of English, nor an advanced learner. I can also glean that you're enthusiastically convinced that there's a creator and that we "have to" figure out what we should do about it. The next logical response to those claims is to ask, "Why should we believe you?" My form of that question is, "Where is your evidence that this is true?" A lot of people make a lot of whacked-out claims; many of them are simply off their meds. Only the ones that can produce evidence survive scrutiny. Can you? Do you have the evidence you need?

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@FBM,

I said , what is to say . The rest is your thing . You have reason , logic and
moral from your creator of the universe . USE IT !

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@manden,

I have reason, logic and morals, but don't see anything like a creator. If you could provide some evidence that such a thing exists, your efforts would produce much better results.

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@FBM,

There is no evidence , as you want !
You must recognize it ! But you are blocked by the indoctrinations of Religion
and this world , like almost the whole mankind .

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