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Interpretation Good or Bad?

 
 
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2015 12:29 pm
@mark noble,
lol I think your in the wrong forum. You should go find out where the kids section is. Before you condemn yourself.

Matt 5:22
22 "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
(NKJ)

Squeakybro
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2015 12:34 pm
@neologist,
lolo You keep saying that and maybe you will believe yourself. But us born again Christians know the Holy Spirit and He is always with us.

John 5:39-44
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41 "I do not receive honor from men.
42 "But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
44 "How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

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mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:35 am
@Squeakybro,
let's analyse your response...

"lol"

Mockery - Strike 1

"I think your (you're) in the wrong forum."

Judgement - Strike 2

"Before you condemn yourself."

Supposition - Strike 3

Not about to reprove you.
What's the point?

Once you've read Isaiah 45:7 you'll have a better understanding of good and evil.
It's the verse where your God declares himself the harbinger of both.
All the best.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:51 am
@mark noble,
lol another idiot. What do they do just grab a bunch of you and tie you together. And you just follow each other around trying to cause trouble.
Your an idiot. The old testament has been obsolete for 2000 years. Now we do know that satan quotes old testament to his followers. Like you.

ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
1 Cor 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3 all ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 3:35-36
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 5:1-5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 4:21
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Rom 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 11John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels. But Jesus wasnt in the old testament.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christ.

Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)

Acts 15:10
10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(NKJ)

Acts 15:24-29
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(NKJ)


Rom 2:1-29

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
(NKJ)


Heb 8:7
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)

Heb 10:1

1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
(NKJ)


Col 2:11-14
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)


Heb 10:9
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
(NKJ)


Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)
Luke 16:13
13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."


Gal 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
(NKJ)








mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 11:15 am
@Squeakybro,
Wow! Your last post was 2nd Dec 2015 - You, REALLY, were sat there waiting for a response, all that time?

I'm not, nor will anyone read what you typed out - Just had an inkling you'd be hovering in anticipation - Inkling correct! I'm good at this.
Anyway (Not that you care about what we, idiots, type). Just to let you know - The Old testament is being removed from the New New King James Version in March 2016, so you wont have to put up with it much longer - Damn outdated thing, it is.
New New KJ mentions Gospel of Judas and Plato too - Will be nice to see how they saw Jesus, can't wait, myself.

And they've just discovered a cadmium coin dated 2bc, proving Christ's birth.
Peace brother.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 12:45 pm
@mark noble,
Well on judgment day no one can say the truth wasn't offered to them.
mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:12 pm
@Squeakybro,
I agree.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:45 pm
@mark noble,
ok thanks
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2016 01:29 pm
@mark noble,
mark noble wrote:
. . . Just to let you know - The Old testament is being removed from the New New King James Version in March 2016, so you wont have to put up with it much longer - Damn outdated thing, it is.
New New KJ mentions Gospel of Judas and Plato too - Will be nice to see how they saw Jesus, can't wait, myself. . .
Do you have a source for this?
Very interesting. . . .
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2016 02:26 pm
@neologist,
As long as it happens.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 07:31 am
@neologist,
No, Neo.
I was taking the piss, at this juncture - Have, since, refined my inferences towards, such as squeakybro.
Gospel of plato would be a good read though - He precedes christ by a few centuries and proposed that 'were there no God, one would need creating' for 'control' purposes (Early power-elitist, no doubt)
And there is no 'new new king james' version in the making - He's been dead for 500 yrs.
And seperating OT from NT is another 'not happening' also.
Jesus was not fluent in acapella, didn't voyage to Australia and America, learning telegraphy from the 'sioux' or maori (Not aussie-NZ) Nor did he spend time with gautama siddharta (Buddha) Again 600yrs prior.
I'm less likely to 'take the piss' henceforth - Arrogance is a weakness, afterall.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 07:40 am
@neologist,
Gospel of Judas exists - Is gnostic - Constantine chose to leave it out of the NT, because the 4 NT gospels kill Judas off (In a variety of fashions). Having him (Judas) producing an account of Jesus' life whilst being dead would tend to contradict the "Intended NORM'.
He died at Massada btw 69-70 ad.
Is a good read too.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 07:49 am
Oh my . . . there's more bull poop in this thread than in a Nebraska feed lot. It is amusing to see how gullible people are, how easily they'll swallow the poop.

MN needs to refine his bull poop, though. King James I and VI died a little less than 400 years ago. The date of birth of Siddhartha is disputed, ranging from the sixth century and the fourth century, BCE. But i love the other horsie poop he has shoveled here, and which has been lapped up in wide-eyed innocence.
mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:04 am
@Setanta,
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of my prior posts - Not pointing out actual dates of historical characters.
But, you are a grammar-nazi, afterall - Enjoy.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:13 am
@mark noble,
While you are just an arrogant nazi of all trades. Have a lousy life, don't bother to write.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:17 am
I do have to wonder, though, what you think the word grammar means.
mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:43 am
@Setanta,
I'm sure you do. 'grammar-nazi' is a phrase though - Hyphenated for possessional convenience.
I have no insults for you, today, Setanta - Get your kicks elsewhere.
I just don't value anything you say or do.

Glad to bounce back and forth giving you the opportunity to correct each and every aspect of my existence, though, if you like.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:51 am
@mark noble,
You're a legend in your own mind . . .
mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 09:08 am
@Setanta,
I don't share that opinion.
I'm definitely 'in my own mind'.
But, legend - Nope - Just another ape, on a rock, hurtling through space - You know the rest.

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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 08:04 am
@Squeakybro,
You are arguing for a Church, in fact you are arguing in the same way that the Catholic Church does and has since the earliest times -- and this is why I am a Catholic. Interpretation is neither good or bad until you set yours up as THE INTERPRETATION
 

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