How Did You Learn The Bible?

You misunderstand. The changes that I'm talking about there is the different context that the Holy Spirit puts the verses in. Same Word just changed the order in which they are written. And your right I don't believe in adding to or taking away from the Word(verses).

I don't understand your example.

I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
(NKJ)

You misunderstand. The changes that I'm talking about there is the different context that the Holy Spirit puts the verses in. Same Word just changed the order in which they are written. And your right I don't believe in adding to or taking away from the Word(verses). It says very plainly that everything Jesus spoke He spoke in parables.

Matt 13:34
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
(NKJ)


I don't understand your example.

I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
(NKJ)

That Greek concept is found in the various Greek books of the Bible, as well.

The Greek word, yes. What makes you say the Greek concept?

That Greek concept is found in the various Greek books of the Bible through the words that you're referring to and the meanings and concepts they convey.

Why in the world do you engage in these ridiculous conversations. Just show where it says what ever your claiming, word or concept.

You've already provided biblical passages in regard to the concept of hell and the words used thereof.

I know so what is the dispute then?

The dispute is about what the words are saying in regard to the concept of "hell."

Your kidding me right?

Nope.

The verse does not appear in any of the early Greek texts, or in the Latin Vulgate, it was also not quoted by any of the early church leaders as part of the text, but somehow found its way into some of the later latin translations, when the Trinitarian belief was being violently disputed.
It was originally left out of the first and second editions of what is known as the Textus Receptus (a close predecessor to the KJV) until Erasmus conceded to intense pressure from the Catholic church. It has since become a key verse in support for the Trinitarian belief. Spurious no?

How do you spot a counterfeit?

Are you talking about the word hell?

no my friend, I should have referenced it, I was talking about I Jn 5:7-8

Oh I see. Well as you know I don't believe in the trinity concept anyway.

Absolutely, you and I agree, the example however was of how theology has influenced translations of the bible. So rather than rely on the integrity of the translators, a good concordance can give you a better picture of what was actually written rather than the translators prescribed understanding according to his faith..
It is about seeking accurate knowledge (Colossians 1:9,10) and not ones own wisdom.

We look at it a little different. I see it as stumbling stones. God put stumbling stones in scripture. Just like Jesus became a stumbling block to the Jews. I would never refer to Gods Word as the "tranlators" Or do anything to put doubts in readers minds. God had a reason for doing it the way He did. I understand all that. The Holy Spirit does reveal all that to a person. But that is more private than public.

If you start a conversation out full of doubts about the way the bible is written you could cause new comers to doubt what they read. Even before they start understanding.

Mark 9:42
42 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:9-13
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak.
10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
(NKJ)

Do you believe the KJV to be divinely inspired and free from error?