BillRM
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Apr, 2016 08:47 pm
@RABEL222,
Frankly I think that anyone who support in any manner Black Lives Matter organization while complaining about white racism is indeed a hypocrite of the first degree.

Racism is racism be it white racists or black racists.

Next there are now few white racists and an ever growing numbers of black racists as few will support the KKK nowdays but BLM is now in the same position as the clan was in the 1920s
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 28 Apr, 2016 10:23 pm
Lawsuit: 2 Missouri school officials slammed girl to ground
Source: Associated Press


Updated 6:58 pm, Thursday, April 28, 2016

CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo. (AP) — A lawsuit says two white school officials in southeast Missouri slammed a black teenager to the ground three times, injuring her neck and back and requiring hospital treatment.

Judge Craig Brewer granted a change of venue Wednesday in the lawsuit against the Cape Girardeau School District after attorneys for Ta'Brea Harris and her mother, Terri Harris, argued that a fair local trial was impossible since many potential jurors are graduates of the district.

. . .

The lawsuit alleges that after Ta'Brea Harris was involved in a verbal argument with another student while waiting for a school bus on Dec. 11, 2014, then-assistant Cape Girardeau Central High School principal Chris Kase grabbed her and slammed her to the ground. She was 14 at the time.

Athletic director Lance Tollison later approached the teen from behind and slammed her to the ground, grabbed her when she tried to get away and slammed her down again, the lawsuit says.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Lawsuit-2-Missouri-school-officials-slammed-girl-7381715.php
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 28 Apr, 2016 11:30 pm

Medical Racism and the Ignoring of Black Pain
Racism is never benign.

By Kali Holloway / AlterNet
April 26, 2016

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Education is often considered the cure for racism; a way to erase bigoted, erroneous and myth-based beliefs with colorblind facts. But biases are stubborn, deeply held things, more impervious to truth than we might like to consider. Researchers from the University of Virginia discovered this when they queried a group of 222 white medical students and residents and found that half believed in phony biological differences between black and white people, including “that blacks age more slowly than whites; their nerve endings are less sensitive than whites’; their blood coagulates more quickly than whites’; [and] their skin is thicker than whites.”

Among those who cosigned at least one of those madeup racial differences, false beliefs correlated directly with the potential to screw up medical treatments. Future doctors who demonstrated racially biased thinking were also more likely to underrate the pain levels of hypothetical black patients. The end result was that those med school students were “less accurate”—a nice way of saying “more wrong”—than their less biased peers in recommendations for mitigating pain experienced by African American versus white patients.
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These findings may be troubling, but they’re not particularly surprising. Prior studies have not only shown the existence of racism in medicine—as in every American institution—but proved it to be a malignant condition with potentially life-threatening consequences for African Americans. In 2012, researchers at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine found doctors with “unconscious racial biases tend to dominate conversations with African-American patients,” ignoring patient needs and engendering mistrust, discomfort and a decreased likelihood to return for necessary followups. Black children suffering from stomach pain are less likely than white children to be given pain medication by emergency room personnel, and Hispanic and African-American kids experience longer ER waits than their white cohorts.

Daily Beast contributor Keith Wailoo cites two 1990s studies finding “white patients... treated for long bone fractures were dosed [with pain meds] more liberally than Latino patients in Los Angeles, and more liberally than black ones in Atlanta.” The Institute of Medicine noted in 2002 that “racial and ethnic minorities receive lower quality health care than whites, even when they are insured to the same degree and when other healthcare access-related factors, such as the ability to pay for care, are the same.” Like the UVA study, numerous others have found white doctors, as well as white laypeople and even white children think black people can endure more pain than whites.

This idea of black immunity to pain is purely magical thinking, rooted in longstanding, widely circulated and scientifically baseless beliefs that essentially cast black people as something other than human. (Researchers behind one 2001 study concluded that “white Americans superhumanize black people relative to white people.”) Racist misconceptions about black people’s extraordinary tolerance for pain and suffering—what I would label a sort of “animalizing othering”—has helped rationalize centuries of cruelty and brutality against African Americans, assuaging white consciences around harsh mistreatment and reifying the fable of white humanity’s superiority. Keith Wailoo notes that backward ideas about “blood differences were once used [as the reasoning for] segregating the blood supply and to argue against racial integration.” Kelly Hoffman, the UVA psychology Ph.D. candidate who led the survey of medical students says, “These beliefs have been around for a long time in our history. They were once used to justify slavery and the inhumane treatment of black people in medicine.”

Thoroughly modern systemic racism continues to be fueled by this sort of misinformation about African-American subhumanity, detrimentally affecting black life, and in plenty of cases, leading to black death. In addition to fallacious ideas about African Americans and pain, unfounded racial stereotypes about black and Hispanic tendencies toward drug addiction also make doctors less likely to prescribe needed pain medications to people of color. The University of Dayton Law School’s Race, Racism and the Law site notes that fears based in racial stereotypes are related to pharmacies in minority communities understocking opiate medications, with concerns varying from not wanting to “attract opioid-using clients” to “fear of drug theft from the pharmacy.” A population seen as unable to experience pain encounters resistance to treating that pain on nearly every front.

If AfricanAmericans are innately more resistant to pain than other groups—and by that same supposition, more dangerous, threatening, beastial and just plain old scary—negative reactions ranging from medical neglect to police violence can be regarded as warranted. Fantastical ideas about inhuman black strength bolster shoot-to-kill policies and one-directional justification of stand-your-ground laws, while also negating anti-chokehold and other excessive force prohibitions. Under this skewed logic, unarmed black teenagers murdered by armed assailants who physically outweigh and pursued them are somehow transformed into aggressors who merited precisely what they got. African-American girls are seen as deserving physical assault and vicious manhandling by male officers. African Americans suffering from illnesses such as renal failure, cardiac disease and cancer are, studies show, less likely to be recommend curative care by their physicians than whites, even when insurance coverage is the same.

These outcomes reflect the way medical racism devastates black lives, but what’s often left out of the conversation is the unintended consequences for other communities. The simultaneous overprescribing of pain drugs to white patients has heavily contributed to the current opiate epidemic, which has primarily affected white rural and suburban communities. Over the last 10 years, almost all new users of heroin—an astounding 90 percent—have been white. Three quarters of those users originally developed opiate addictions through habitual use of prescription painkillers. As Wailoo writes at the Daily Beast about the UVA survey:

The study highlights how a confluence of mistaken attitudes—about race, about biology, and about pain—can flourish in one of the worst possible places: medical schools where the future gatekeepers of relief are trained. And it illuminates what I’ve called the divided state of analgesia in America: overtreatment of millions of people that feeds painkiller abuse at the same time that, with far less public attention, millions of others are systematically undertreated. Think of it as a pain gap between the haves and the have-nots, along lines of class and race.

What is particularly interesting about these findings is not just the implications they hold for the widespread medical undertreatment of African Americans, or the way those attitudes affect everything from policing to violence against African-American women, though those issues are of massive importance. It also seems worthwhile to consider how these ideas about pain—who is and isn’t capable of feeling it, and whose pain does and doesn’t deserve recognition—go beyond the physical. The insidious idea that black Americans are less susceptible to the pain that afflicts white Americans extends beyond the body, reaching into other areas where black suffering is also perceived not to go.

Certainly, mental health issues are often undiagnosed and undertreated in every segment of the American populace. The inaccessibility of mental health services for many Americans is a source of national shame. But while there have been strides made, depression, mental anguish and sadness are presumed to be more profoundly, and legitimately felt by white Americans, so much so that they’re often considered the reason for negative resulting behaviors. This plays out time and again when, for example, white perpetrators carry out mass shootings, and their feelings—their hurt, their isolation, their mental anguish—become a central theme of the ensuing media coverage.

The New York Times reflected on the “dark thoughts and...paranoid delusions of major depression" that may have plagued James Eagan Holmes in the weeks before he went on a shooting spree in a packed Aurora, Colorado movie theater, killing 12 and injuring 70. An op-ed from Fox News headlined “Why didn't anyone help Dylann Roof?”—the man who killed nine African-American parishioners in a South Carolina church—acknowledged that while the shooter “expressed hateful white supremacist” views, he may also have suffered from the kind of depression that can cause “bizarre beliefs that sometimes lead to the destruction of others.” (The article goes on to suggest that “those beliefs can look just like intense hatred of a particular person or a whole race of people,” as if being a hardcore racist should be reclassified as a mental condition.)

In the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings, an investigation by the Connecticut Office of the Child Advocate resulted in a lengthy report detailing the “predisposing factors and compounding stresses” that contributed to Adam Lanza’s “commission of mass murder”:

Authors conclude that there was not one thing that was necessarily the tipping point driving AL to commit the Sandy Hook shooting. Rather there was a cascade of events, many self-imposed, that included: loss of school; absence of work; disruption of the relationship with his one friend; virtually no personal contact with family; virtually total and increasing isolation; fear of losing his home and of a change in his relationship with Mrs. Lanza, his only caretaker and connection; worsening OCD; depression and anxiety; profound and possibly worsening anorexia; and an increasing obsession with mass murder occurring in the total absence of any engagement with the outside world. AL increasingly lived in an alternate universe in which ruminations about mass shootings were his central preoccupation.

Though researchers are careful to point out that the report is not meant to serve as a statement of exoneration (“[He, and he alone, bears responsibility for this monstrous act,” they write), it suggests that Lanza’s pain, due to his parents divorce, his feelings of alienation and loneliness, played a role in his anger in isolation, and was among the motivating factors in his crime. In whole or in part, we are meant to understand that Lanza’s depression, anxiety and sadness played a role in his murderous acting out. Researchers write that numerous “interventions and services...could have and should have been delivered over the course of his life.” Compassionate statements like these, as well as the undertaking of the report, indicate a willingness to separate Adam Lanza from his crime, to see him as fully human, to investigate the underlying pain he endured that might make a person behave so abominably.

This kind of empathy is never extended to African-American victims, much less those accused of horrific crimes. Compare the Lanza report with the New York Times description of Michael Brown, the unarmed 18-year-old killed by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. As cultural critic LaSha notes at Salon, the Times implicates Brown as “no angel,” notes that he “dabbled in drugs and alcohol,” wrote raps that “were by turns contemplative and vulgar” and would sometimes “talk back” to his mother. The article even digs into Brown’s infancy, dubbing him “a handful” presumably because “when his parents put up a security gate, he would try to climb it” (as if this is a rarity among toddlers). The author mentions that Brown “lived in a community that had rough patches,” but declines to suggest this may have been a source of pain and site of struggle. In fact, there has been no serious investigation of Brown’s mental state, of the anguish and inner turmoil he may have experienced or coped with through self-medication.

African-American writer Trina Young perfectly sums up the frustration of witnessing this empathy gulf, and wonders about the dehumanizing effect of ignoring black pain. “Why shouldn’t we get this privilege that whites do?” Young writes in a Blavity post. “Why can they shoot up schools and the media highlights their mental health struggles, saying they were ‘just in pain’ and ‘no one saw it until it was too late?’ Instead of going along with the stigma of mental illness, we should be saying, ‘Hey, we go through this too. We are humans just like everyone else.’”

The idea of black people’s extraordinary strength is likely rooted in the fact that suffering has been central to black American experience and overcoming that suffering is in many ways a source of black communal pride. But African-Americans’ internalized notions about black super-strength have also bred resistance to psychiatric interventions and other therapeutic responses to trauma and pain. Multiple studies find that African Americans are “significantly more likely to report major depression” than other groups, with one group of researchers concluding that black Americans are “20 percent more likely to report having serious psychological distress than” whites. In addition to the everyday difficulties that impact white lives, blacks must deal with “race-based trauma,” the result of both personal confrontations with racism and secondhand experiences, such as those that arise from viewing repeated coverage of racist violence, which has been linked with post-traumatic stress disorder. The trauma incurred from issues that disproportionately affect African Americans, from poverty to unemployment, can also take a deadly toll. A 2015 study found that over the last two decades, the suicide rate for black boys aged 5 to 11 nearly doubled even as it declined among white children of the same age.

Despite all this, a 2011 CDC study found less than 8 percent of African Americans engaged with mental health services that year. Black notions of resilience contribute to these figures, as do the myriad other factors that make mental health care so difficult to access, such as expense. But Janet Taylor, a New York City psychiatrist, notes practitioner biases can also have a detrimental impact. “There are some health care providers who assume that…strife in black people or having a difficult time are what’s to be expected,” Taylor said in an interview with Ebony magazine. “In some cases they may normalize what may be a traumatic reaction.”

There are groups working to address issues around medical racism. White Coats for Black Lives, primarily comprised of medical students, has staged die-ins to protest issues from police brutality to racism in medicine. Last year, David A. Ansell, and Edwin K. McDonald wrote a widely circulated New England Journal of Medicine article imploring practitioners, “for the sake of not only black lives but all lives...to examine the implicit biases in our academic medical centers.” There are increasingly studies dedicated to examining the unmet needs of African Americans, in terms of pain interventions across the board. But change is slow, as the UVA study indicates.

The need to constantly reiterate black humanity—because that’s what this comes down to—is both fatiguing, and frankly, infuriating. Pain is universal and no community is uniquely immune. Ignoring black pain begets more pain, and as long as white America refuses to see it, willingly engages in its perpetuation.

Kali Holloway is a senior writer and the associate editor of media and culture at AlterNet.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 04:02 am
@bobsal u1553115,
So there is no physical difference between people with difference genetic backgrounds and to think otherwise is to be a racist?

For myself I know that I happen to had a high pain threshold and always end up using no or only a few pain pills after medical treatments and I seems to had gotten that threshold from my mother side of the family.

But if nice to know that in the future such people as myself will be force to use the correct PC pain treatments.

In fact as it is now I had needed to fight doctors over not needing or wishing to be drug up.

Quote:


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/scientifica/2013/415279/


2.2. Heritability

Genetic linkage and association studies of human pain are based on the heritability estimates for experimental pain phenotypes and clinical painful conditions that apparently are similar to what has been found in animal models [103]. The heritability of a trait measures the extent to which differences among members of a population can be explained by differences in their genetics [104]. The idea of using twins to measure the influence of heredity dates back to 1875, when the English scientist Francis Galton first suggested the approach (and invented the phrase “nature and nurture”) [105]. Twins offer a precious opportunity to untangle the influence of genes. Investigators may compare the likelihood that identical (monozygotic) twins share a given trait with the likelihood that fraternal (dizygotic) twins share the same trait and quantify the extent to which the genetic variation contributes to the difference. Heritability of many pain phenotypes has been estimated using twin studies; however, those estimates have been calculated for a given population and may vary as function of demographic and other “environmental” effects. Where two correlated phenotypes are examined together, twin studies can estimate the degree to which the phenotypic correlation is mediated by common genetic factors suggesting distinct or overlapping genetic background [104]. Studies show that genetic contributions to, for example, cold and heat pains had little overlap. 60% of the variance in cold-induced pain and 26% of the variance in heat-induced pain were heritable [106] demonstrating the power of thermal sensory testing to distinguish genetic mechanisms of pain processing caused by each type of stimuli. Overall, for experimental pain perception, heritability ranged from 10% (for mechanical pressure thresholds measured via algometry) to 55% (for pinprick hyperalgesia measured via weighted probes) and 61% (for cold pressor test) [38]. Similar findings have been reported for clinical pain, with heritability around 50% for migraine, tension-type headache, and chronic widespread pain, around 35% for back and neck pain, and around 25% for irritable bowel syndrome [107]. High heritability of pain phenotype can either result from large contributions of one or several “major genes,” or small contributions of many [108]. Genetic studies attempted to evaluate both possibilities, with the hypothesis of “rare mutation, rare disease; common mutation, common disease.” Although increasing evidence shows that relatively rare mutations may also cause common and complex diseases like cancer or schizophrenia, former approach seems to work well for studying monogenic pain disorders and polygenic painful diseases, for example, in case of SCN9A gene encoding the α-subunit of the voltage-gated sodium channel Nav1.7 [109].
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 06:00 am
Quote:


http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36168366

Plans to declare 26 May as John Wayne Day in California have been rejected over racist comments the actor made when he was alive.
The Oscar-winner made his name playing tough cowboys and heroic soldiers in films including The Alamo, True Grit and The Green Berets.
But in a State Assembly vote several legislators objected to having a day commemorating his birthday due to his "disturbing views towards race".
The resolution was lost by 35-20 votes.
Republican State Assemblyman Matthew Harper had put forward the proposal, following a Texas resolution commemorating Wayne's birthday passed last year.
Assemblyman Luis Alejo was among those against the proposal, citing a 1971 interview the actor made with Playboy where he was quoted as saying: "I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."
Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez also cited the same interview where Wayne defended white Europeans' encroachment on Native American land.
"Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves," the actor said.
Wayne's support for the anti-communist House Un-American Activities Committee and the far right John Birch Society were also brought up.
'Political correctness'
After the defeat Harper said the proposal failed due to "the orthodoxy of political correctness".
"Opposing the John Wayne Day resolution is like opposing apple pie, fireworks, baseball, the Free Enterprise system and the Fourth of July," he said.
Assemblyman Travis Allen was among those who supported the proposal, saying Wayne "stood for those big American values that we know and we love".
And Assemblyman Donald Wagner pointed out others had been honoured despite controversies in their past, mentioning President Franklin Roosevelt who had been honoured despite his internment of Japanese Americans during World War Two.
The John Wayne Day row comes a week after it was announced the face of former US president and slave owner Andrew Jackson would be removed from the front of the US $20 bill and be replaced by freed slave and anti-slavery activist Harriet Tubman.
Also this month Princeton University announced it would keep former President Woodrow Wilson's name on one of its buildings despite calls to remove it because he was a segregationist and held racist views.
The university decided that President Wilson's accomplishments deserved to be recognised along with his faults.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 07:45 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I remember my parents telling me if I got out of line and got any kind punishment at school they did not wish to hear from me and I would suffer worst punishment at home.

Now we got kids so out of control that even at the college level they will cheerfully shove other people around in the library.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 10:45 am
@bobsal u1553115,
That's another aspect of racial bigotry that I hadn't learned about earlier. It's an interesting issue that needs to be spread at all medical schools. I wonder why medical schools missed this important issue.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 01:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There was an article I posted here a week or two ago which was the first I ever heard of the racist notion PoC were too devolved to have much sensitivity to pain. Its disgusting.
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
So the theory that there is a genetics component to the degree someone feel pain is for some reason is a racial and disgusting theory?

How about the theory that Jews are more likely to be Haemophilias and blacks are more likely to suffer from Sickle cell then anyone else on the planet?

Is that disgusting and if not why is the degree that someone would feel pain due to his genetics background disgusting?

You people are idiots it would seems.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Medical schools should also stop teaching the theory that some Jews are bleeders and some black families are prone to sickle cell disease as it is not PC to think that a person family dna have impact on their bodies and health.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:07 pm
@BillRM,
The only idiot on a2k is you. You're the only only one who gets thumbs down on a regular basis.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sure do and I am still waiting to hear if Robert had look at the system logic files as making someone received large votes down is a few minutes programming task.

Of course it would need to be someone brighter then you.
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
@bobsal u1553115,
So there is no physical difference between people with difference genetic backgrounds and to think otherwise is to be a racist?

For myself I know that I happen to had a high pain threshold and always end up using no or only a few pain pills after medical treatments and I seems to had gotten that threshold from my mother side of the family.

But if nice to know that in the future such people as myself will be force to use the correct PC pain treatments.

In fact as it is now I had needed to fight doctors over not needing or wishing to be drug up.

Quote:


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/scientifica/2013/415279/


2.2. Heritability

Genetic linkage and association studies of human pain are based on the heritability estimates for experimental pain phenotypes and clinical painful conditions that apparently are similar to what has been found in animal models [103]. The heritability of a trait measures the extent to which differences among members of a population can be explained by differences in their genetics [104]. The idea of using twins to measure the influence of heredity dates back to 1875, when the English scientist Francis Galton first suggested the approach (and invented the phrase “nature and nurture”) [105]. Twins offer a precious opportunity to untangle the influence of genes. Investigators may compare the likelihood that identical (monozygotic) twins share a given trait with the likelihood that fraternal (dizygotic) twins share the same trait and quantify the extent to which the genetic variation contributes to the difference. Heritability of many pain phenotypes has been estimated using twin studies; however, those estimates have been calculated for a given population and may vary as function of demographic and other “environmental” effects. Where two correlated phenotypes are examined together, twin studies can estimate the degree to which the phenotypic correlation is mediated by common genetic factors suggesting distinct or overlapping genetic background [104]. Studies show that genetic contributions to, for example, cold and heat pains had little overlap. 60% of the variance in cold-induced pain and 26% of the variance in heat-induced pain were heritable [106] demonstrating the power of thermal sensory testing to distinguish genetic mechanisms of pain processing caused by each type of stimuli. Overall, for experimental pain perception, heritability ranged from 10% (for mechanical pressure thresholds measured via algometry) to 55% (for pinprick hyperalgesia measured via weighted probes) and 61% (for cold pressor test) [38]. Similar findings have been reported for clinical pain, with heritability around 50% for migraine, tension-type headache, and chronic widespread pain, around 35% for back and neck pain, and around 25% for irritable bowel syndrome [107]. High heritability of pain phenotype can either result from large contributions of one or several “major genes,” or small contributions of many [108]. Genetic studies attempted to evaluate both possibilities, with the hypothesis of “rare mutation, rare disease; common mutation, common disease.” Although increasing evidence shows that relatively rare mutations may also cause common and complex diseases like cancer or schizophrenia, former approach seems to work well for studying monogenic pain disorders and polygenic painful diseases, for example, in case of SCN9A gene encoding the α-subunit of the voltage-gated sodium channel Nav1.7 [109].
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 04:55 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
making someone received large votes down is a few minutes programming task.

Within a few seconds actually. Probably even in less than a second.
RABEL222
 
  5  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
I'm not a racist. I just hate apparent stupidity.
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:27 pm
@oralloy,
Robert posting that I am just pissing off a lot of people and it not bots.

Now from the patterns of the votes downs that seem highly highly unlikely but without access to the website logs there is no way to be sure and I do not in fact think that Robert had look at those files himself.

I could counter this silliness but that is Robert job and Robert website so fighting a bot war here is not something I would feel right in doing.
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:34 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I'm not a racist. I just hate apparent stupidity.



So you must hate the BLM idiots that shoved around students peacefully studying in their library for example or who march down the street chatting about cooking cops or who are interfering even with bernie rallies.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Apr, 2016 06:33 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Robert posting that I am just pissing off a lot of people and it not bots.

A random mass of people are not going to concentrate all (or most) of their vote downs into the space of a second or two.

Although there are a lot of people here who have a profound dislike of facts, and they do throw a tantrum when you point out reality.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 30 Apr, 2016 08:47 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
who have a profound dislike of facts, and they do throw a tantrum when you point out reality.


I kind of see voting down opinions you do not care for, but SC rulings or CDC data tables and so on? Very very strange behaviors to say the least.
0 Replies
 
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 30 Apr, 2016 08:28 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
That was a really eye-opening article.
 

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