Bernie's In

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Good observation.

Let me give you one more takeaway from tonight's debate:
They were asked about healthcare. Hillary Clinton cited the facts that the ACA was imperfect but the result of a bloody battle and that great gains were made over the way that healthcare existed before. She said that while both her and Bernie's goal was universal healthcare, she would try to get there by building and improving on the ACA framework that had been so hard to attain. When she threw at Bernie that his plan sounds like he wants to get rid of the ACA and start from scratch, throwing the whole country back into another scorched earth battle, did Bernie respond with a cogent answer that showed he had an idea of how to get to universal healthcare? No, Bernie did Bernie - he answered something to the effect of "We need healthcare for all, and if the people unite, we can get there!" It got much applause of course, but it said nothing. I want everyone to pay close attention when Bernie is asked HOW he plans to do all his miraculous ****. Because if he knows, he ain't telling. It's all "We the people can achieve anything if we stand together!" It's exciting - it's hopeful as ****. It's a beautiful sammich, but where's the beef?

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@CalamityJane,

CalamityJane wrote:

I don't think so! Should Bernie win the Democratic ticket I assume Elizabeth Warren will be his running mate and together they'll be unbeatable.

Capitalism hasn't worked for the United States - the corporate greed has suffocated the middle class and what's left are the infamous 1 % who are trying to manipulate and regulate politics in this country - and the 99 % who are struggling are finally fed up. Politics is changing in the United States and not only the clever ones have realized that the 1 % on the top are scamming us for the last dime we've got.

Why do stupid people flock to Donald Trump? Because he is successful in their eyes and they hope he'll bring them a bigger paycheck as well. They don't realize that his father was the successful one and Donny boy inherited millions to make more millions. At that level it's easy to accumulate more wealth. Loudmouth Trump couldn't care less about Americans, he wants to be part of world history - good or bad, he doesn't care.

You must know something I don't or have seen something I haven't, if you can assume Warren would be Sanders' running mate.

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@CalamityJane,

That's an interesting take. I always find Ms. Clinton somewhat awkward. Really smart, but maybe too smart and kind of geeky. One of those girls in high school who knew academic stuff but didn't get social stuff really well. Studies hard, knows her job and gets it done.

I sometimes wish she was smooth and likable, but tv charm isn't her long suit. Her husband and Mr. Obama, they've got the smooth.

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@ehBeth,

I've wondered why Hillary didn't come across like a likable person, and you've described it perfectly.

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@CalamityJane,

CalamityJane wrote:

I haven't seen the debate, but no doubt Hillary is smooth. She can talk and her rhethoric is superb and to the point, not to mention how quickly she responds to adverse questionings as we've seen at the Benghazi hearings.
Hillary has a huge team of experts coaching her along and they're clever and
shine the light on her perfectly from every angle. Obama came off as a loser in all debates he had with Hillary in 2008 and his rhethoric is by far superior to Sanders.

Having an excellent publicits and an entire team who feeds you with the perfect answers, is quite powerful. What Hillary cannot convey is sincerity and honesty. How can she be when the biggest crooks - banks, endorse her?

"Smooth" isn't impressive to me at this point. I actually think she has knowledge and political skill - not just good coaches. Bernie's a great person, but I don't think it's supposed to be about electing my favorite person, or the one I feel comfortable having beers with.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

You could do a little research on your own Snood rather than relying on how what you see on TV reinforces your preconceived notions.

Agree with him or not, Sanders has spoken and written in quite a bit of depth on the issue of trade... not only as part of the campaign, but also in his 35 years in Congress.

If you are really interested in how Sanders has addressed this issue in depth, you can start here.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-trade/

I read Bernie's page. His "plans" for bringing jobs back to the US are boilerplate feel-good stuff about trillion dollar "investments" in infrastructure. It ain't original, and it's not impressive. You're either naive or stupid if you call reading a candidate's website "research"

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@snood,

I just put two and two together. Did you read how Warren defended Sanders from Goldman Sachs? She slammed especially CEO Blankfein. Warren is just as passionate as Sanders, they follow the same principle, display the same honesty, they are for the people, against corporate greed and together they really would be the dream team.

Of course, I said "assume" that conveys no proof.

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@snood,

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feel-good stuff about trillion dollar "investments" in infrastructure. It ain't original, and it's not impressive.

You prefer someone who isn't talking about trillion dollar investments in infrastructure?

The last Clinton administration brought up policies to incarcerate more Americans, Don't ask don't tell, and a serious reduction in Welfare that put families in poverty and removed services from the mentally ill that put them on the street.

I don't see "investment" as a dirty word.

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@CalamityJane,

Yeah, I have loved - LOVED - Warren from way back. And I see the similarities in her and Bernie's approaches and views. I just think she is very methodical about what she sees as her best opportunities to do the most good. And I just don't see her getting on the Bernie wagon right now. I could be wrong, of course.

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@ehBeth,

You may be right! She is definitely smarter than most people in DC, her level of intellect is superb, yes, she's socially inept, she's not charming and she's not a people person, all things you need to bring to the table too!
Aside from that, I personally think that she is not sincere and dishonest. It's my gut feeling, instinct, whatever you want to call it, but I sense that about her and I am a pretty good judge of character.

If I take Angela Merkel as comparison - she's also not too charming and socially awkward, highly intelligent and can hold her own. Yet, she is honest and sincere and how she handled the recent refugee criticism showed how much she identifies and feels for them. It made her a "mensch".

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@CalamityJane,

CalamityJane wrote:

I just put two and two together. Did you read how Warren defended Sanders from Goldman Sachs? She slammed especially CEO Blankfein. Warren is just as passionate as Sanders, they follow the same principle, display the same honesty, they are for the people, against corporate greed

I get the sense she would complement him in a way. He's sort of a career politician I guess, and snood was complaining about him making too many stale repetitive arguments with no substance. Well, with Warren he'd get someone who has lived most of her life outside political office, and brilliantly original arguments.

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@Kolyo,

You are right, Kolyo.

I just read a statement of Sarah Silverman. She said "enough with the party lines. I want to see a debate between Bernie, Hillary, Trump, Cruz and Rubio".
Me too, frankly!! I think they would break all rating records Very Happy

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@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:

I just put two and two together. Did you read how Warren defended Sanders from Goldman Sachs? She slammed especially CEO Blankfein. Warren is just as passionate as Sanders, they follow the same principle, display the same honesty, they are for the people, against corporate greed

I get the sense she would complement him in a way. He's sort of a career politician I guess, and snood was complaining about him making too many stale repetitive arguments with no substance. Well, with Warren he'd get someone who has lived most of her life outside political office, and brilliantly original arguments.

Yes! When I listen to Warren I get the sense that there are synapses firing; that she is engaged in a problem solving process. Bernie always strikes me as repeating populist pandering. Although I don't see her taking the offer or it even being offered, I think she'd make a fantastic second on a ticket. I happen to think she'd be even more appropriate as leading the ticket, but that's just me.

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@CalamityJane,

CalamityJane wrote:

You are right, Kolyo.

I just read a statement of Sarah Silverman. She said "enough with the party lines. I want to see a debate between Bernie, Hillary, Trump, Cruz and Rubio".
Me too, frankly!! I think they would break all rating records

God, yes. And we'd get to see the stark difference in the worldviews of the two sides in graphic relief. Bernie and Hillary would be in agreement about all the big things the GOP is wrong on, and would be in effect a juggernaut of a debating team. I'd pay money to see it.

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Winners and losers from the 5th Democratic presidential debate

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...speaking of important to young people...

Something that trended in the last week with young millennial chicks: "I'm in a virtual relationship with Bernie Sanders, and it's getting serious."

I love those young girls. My daughter is one of them. So proud they refuse to buy bullshit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/us/politics/bernie-sanders-young-democratic-voters.html

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@revelette2,

They were obviously wrong.

The MSM was given their marching orders months ago when what they thought was a short-term Socialist sideshow showed itself to be a potent threat to Hillary Clinton's political future.

Bernie went without mention in the MSM for months as he gained ground on Hillary. CNN, MSNBC, NPR and many more blackballed Bernie from reportage. I guess the MSM are so used to US citizens behaving as mindless lemmings that blindly follow the manipulative suggestions of the media that they must be astonished that Bernie's legions grow rather than diminish in response to their blatant attacks against him. The news media has waged a surprisingly aggressive campaign against Bernie, but they didn't bet on voting citizens seeing through them and dismissing them.

The tide has turned. Even though idiots here and thMSM cite Hillary as the "winner" in the debate last night...she was roundly and loudly booed - and today she is losing ground to a tie nationally.

She's going down. Bernie will be elected.

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@cicerone imposter,

In school, 60 years ago they taught me their was no differance in communist and socialist. They have been teaching the same thing for the last 60 years.

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Ive been running my ass off because my wife of 78 years fell and broke her arm. They did an operation on it and put a rod and pin in it but it dident take so they are talking a shoulder replacement. 5 doctors and two hospitals in 5 of 5 days this week. Enough of our problems. I havent been able to pay much attention to this site but I have been keeping up with the news and I have a question for the Bernieites. You all accuse the Clintons of being liers but accept anything Bernie says as gods own truth. Bernie has been in politics for 25 years. He knows how politics in Washington works and he is claiming he can get a republican house and senate to pass universal collage for all american kids, and he is going to raise the taxes on the rich, and he is going to fix medicare, ama with single payer ins. He is going to remove the 1% from being the most powerful group in politics. How is he going to get a republican congress to do these things? Answer is, he is not going to even if he were to happen to be elected president in spite of him being branded communist, socialist. In plain english Bernie is a lieing politician who will make any claim he thinks will go over with the ultraliberals in order to have a chance to run for president no matter how much it hurts the people. A republican Supreme Court will put the last nail in the liberal coffin. from today it will be 3 years after the 2020 census before the gerrymandered republican states can be fixed and probably not until 2030 census. Bernie Sanders is a blatent lier and all you Bernieates are unthinking robots for believeing another politician who is telling you just what you want to hear. A CHICKEN IN EVERY POT AND A CAR IN EVERY GARAGE.

I posted this elsewere but thought it was more to the point on this blog.

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@RABEL222,

How ignorant! Just because you learned it this way doesn't mean it's true!
Got stuck in the McCarthy aera?

By the way, true communism has never been established. Human nature has proven us that it's impossible to have common holdings/properties as community/state.

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