ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2015 04:42 pm
@Ragman,
Brady.. from all his previous interest in the footballs' pressure levels, I doubt he didn't notice. I can understand going along at the time - the ball is funny, I'll throw it. If he did notice and didn't report, I like him less. But talk about an immediate problem.. for him to be the one to do that. So - I don't like it but have a squidge of understanding.

Coach? I think of him as tricky Bill. Which is neither here nor there, a perception. Someone seems to have altered matters, maybe not at Bill's acquiescence, but possibly to please him. Woo.

Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2015 04:58 pm
@roger,
you can't. these are 2 different measures and devices, I believe. The ball pressure range (12.5-13.5 psi) is measured with a pressure gauge. The weight measure is done with a scale sensitive to the lower weight range of ball (14-15 oz).
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2015 05:12 pm
@ossobuco,
One man's treasure is another man's poison. One man's tricky is another man's perceptive go-getter and winner.

Not to defend o0r even justify his inglorious past, when Spy-gate scandal occurred, he was rightly caught. He was doing what occasionally coaches have done from time-to-time on NFL teams...steal signs. Way back before the hi-tech means, they used to steal signs using binoculars. He took it to higher tech level. This made him rightfully labeled 'tricky' and amoral.

This time I still see this matter as combination breakdown of officials having an inconsistent protocol of an established chain of custody perhaps. Brady and what he did and why...who knows? the sad truth is...they beat them like a rented a mule..and would have beat them if the balls were made out of soap.

I just wish this all never happened because it's all so senseless. You never hear about the games or strategies or anything else -- even in mainstream news.
Are we at war...or under threat of killer diseases? What the hell is media doing to inform us of the real news?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 01:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
... . But there is still the possibility that the temperature was the culprit. Apparently Brady always asks for the balls to be at the absolutely soft limit. Maybe the cold did to the ball what it sometimes does to car tires...
Good point being made by many, it seems.

This whole thing seems to have been blown way out of proportion . . .
(Ahem)

Even if it had been intentional, I'd hate to see any suspensions affecting the Super Bowl. I want to see the Seahawks crush the Patriots while they are at full strength. No doubts. No excuses.

BTW, as I have pointed out before, both Rogers and Brady are 12s.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 04:04 pm
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 05:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yea. The guy has to be considered innocent until found otherwise. It's a tough call to be sure.

Let's face it people; we have all suffered mental decline in our thinking on more than one issue. He's human.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 05:27 pm
@Ragman,
I have understood it didn't change the outcome, however all that happened.
I get it that much tricking has gone on in sports in general over many decades.
I still get to bitch re the time honored (if not real life honored) matter of sportsmanship and its benefit for children to learn that.

Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 06:10 pm
@ossobuco,
agreed
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 01:42 pm
The Goodyear blimp is in the sky ... trying to catch the Patriots in the act of deflating footballs.

http://i.imgur.com/gKMmq77.png
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 02:05 pm
@Ticomaya,
Yea, and they'd better keep checking their air pressure.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 07:54 am

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10425889_1028297223851291_5438371917358053200_n.jpg?oh=59259d89c58eb07b6bcfb345e354312c&oe=556150DA&__gda__=1428356272_3b470fccd098c62fc3ac7c0a06802be9
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 08:19 am
Bostonians! What can I tell you. Squeeze the Patriots' balls, and they just can't hold up to the pressure. Australian balls, on the other hand, seem perfectly well-inflated. In fact, I understand they're quite big.


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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 09:27 am
Kraft: Apology owed if no findings
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=12233567
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 05:02 am

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10471569_806340499413719_6673351998418390671_n.jpg?oh=878d8838de5a90a812d5532b2c3c377e&oe=5569B57D&__gda__=1433013409_147772c1b32296ce4565f6468e01708e
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 06:13 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

Kraft: Apology owed if no findings
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=12233567

NFL: We apologize to all the fans that once again we have to whitewash a scandal because we're afraid to jeopardize our big money cows.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 06:32 am
Eleven of twelve of the Patriots footballs were found to be under-inflated according to the rules of the NFL...none of the opposing team's footballs were.

The NFL says it is conducting an investigation to determine the why's and wherefore's.

Why would the NFL be expected to apologize? For doing what they are supposed to do?

Kraft's comment makes no sense?
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 07:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
I'm not sure people here and elsewhere understand the concept of keeping things in perspective. What if they really got this angered over how the NFL and the NFL players' union both overlook its players' too long history of committing violent crimes and such yet we get the loudest cry that this deflategate is almost some kind of war crime?!

Why is this nonsense still an issue?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 07:21 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

I'm not sure people here and elsewhere understand the concept of keeping things in perspective. What if they really got this angered over how the NFL and the NFL players' union both overlook its players' too long history of committing violent crimes and such yet we get the loudest cry that this deflategate is almost some kind of war crime?!

Why is this nonsense still an issue?


Why, indeed!
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 08:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
If the NFL officials failed to check the balls with a pressure guage. And if (as Packer's quarterback Aaron Rogers says) that many teams play with balls that are a couple of PSI above or below the limit, then the NFL should apologize for failing to do their job, and for singling the Patriots out for something many teams do.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 08:48 am
@maxdancona,
Good point..
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