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Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 25 Oct, 2014 06:48 pm
@vikorr,
Why does there need to be any "idiology?" If statistics show that white kids kill other white kids, is that a problem or not? How about the unibomber, the boston strangler, the boston marathon bomber, George Zimmerman, Kaczynski, and the top mass murderers in the US were white.

If being Muslim is a crime, why isn't being white a crime? They kill most people. Wiki calls them "rampage killers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

I hope you really mean,
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...even though judging something on it's own merits is the only unbiased way of judging a thing.


coldjoint
 
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Sat 25 Oct, 2014 07:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If being Muslim is a crime, why isn't being white a crime?


Could you possibly make another inane statement, or ask a dumber question?
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coldjoint
 
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Sat 25 Oct, 2014 07:27 pm

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5 Insane, But Utterly Predictable, Reactions to the Ottawa Jihad Attack

Can you use any more excuses?
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5. Derek Stoffel of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Before Zehaf-Bibeau’s identity was known, CBC’s Derek Stoffel tweeted: “Amid the speculation in the #OttawaShooting in #Canada, it’s important to remember #ISIS hasn’t shown interest in attacks abroad.”

Stoffel should have known that in late September, the Islamic State’s spokesman, Abu Muhammad Al-Adnani, urged Muslims to murder non-Muslims in the West. “Rely upon Allah,” he thundered, “and kill him in any manner or way however it may be. Do not ask for anyone’s advice and do not seek anyone’s verdict. Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling.” He also addressed Western non-Muslims: “You will not feel secure even in your bedrooms. You will pay the price when this crusade of yours collapses, and thereafter we will strike you in your homeland, and you will never be able to harm anyone afterwards.”

Stoffel quickly deleted his tweet and backtracked from his flagrantly counter-factual statement, but he wasn’t alone in ignoring the obvious and creating a fictional alternate reality:
4. Vox

The hard-Left Vox reacted to the revelation that Zehaf-Bibeau was a Muslim by dismissing the fact as irrelevant:

These reports imply that because Zehaf-Bibeau was Muslim, jihad is the likely motivation for his attack. But at this stage, without any actual evidence, it makes no more sense to come to that conclusion than it would to assume that he was motivated by Quebecois separatism, just because he was from Quebec. At this point, our focus on the Ottawa shooter’s religion says more about our own fears than it does about anything to do with Islamist terrorism.

Of course! Quebecois separatists have so often shot up government buildings and murdered Canadian soldiers! Why, wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that a Quebecois separatist leader told his followers (in French, of course) to “kill the English-speaking Canadian whether he is civilian or military”?

It takes great minds like those at Vox to come up with this high-level analysis. Others likewise urged caution:
3. ABC News

Once Zehaf-Bibeau was identified as the shooter and was known to be a Muslim, ABC News one-upped Stoffel’s confident fantasy-based analysis with the claim that “authorities in Canada are trying to understand what motivated a gunman to kill a soldier in the country’s capital Wednesday.”

What motivated him was glaringly obvious, but it was the one thing most Western government officials and all of the mainstream media have determined to ignore, so the search was one for some other remotely plausible motive that could be sold to the public.
2. The Globe and Mail

Toronto’s Globe and Mail decided that Zehaf-Bibeau must be crazy. After all, he couldn’t have been motivated by Islam’s jihad doctrine, which is peaceful and benign, so his shooting rampage simply must have been the product of a diseased mind. Its report offered no evidence of this diagnosis beyond quoting a friend of Zehaf-Bibeau saying, “I think he must have been mentally ill.” And how did the friend come to this conclusion? Zehaf-Bibeau, you see, “frequently talked about the presence of Shaytan in the world – an Arabic term for devils and demons.”

In other words, Zehaf-Bibeau must be insane because he spoke frequently of what are standard beliefs of mainstream Islam. Oh, the Islamophobia! It’s extremely unlikely that, if they were aware of this, the politically correct editors of the Globe and Mail would want to stand by this analysis.
1. The police chiefs of Ottawa and Toronto

In the wake of the shootings in Ottawa, the police chiefs of Toronto and Ottawa wrote to local Muslim leaders, assuring them of their good will and urging Muslims to contact them in case of a “backlash.” These politically correct cops appear to have learned their lesson well: after every jihad attack, Muslims are the victims, and need special reassurances.


http://pjmedia.com/blog/5-insane-but-utterly-predictable-reactions-to-the-ottawa-jihad-attack/?singlepage=true
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vikorr
 
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Sat 25 Oct, 2014 07:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Why does there need to be any "idiology?"
There doesn't. And you know the point is raised purely because Islam is an ideology...while you have not identified any contributing factors to your 'comparison'.

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If statistics show that white kids kill other white kids, is that a problem or not?
Of course there is a problem. You know very well that I will acknowledge such things, so why you keep asking 'do you think this is a problem'...is boggling.

And if we knew the contributing factors, we could examine them and see if there's a problem that people should know about. If there were a multitude of such instances, we could see if there are common contributing circumstances that people should know about.

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If being Muslim is a crime, why isn't being white a crime?
You know very well I'm not saying Islam is a crime, nor being muslim...rather that Islam is a dangerous religion.

Do you have any issue with the following, that you quoted?
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...even though judging something on it's own merits is the only unbiased way of judging a thing.
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parados
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:41 pm
@vikorr,
Egypt is 95% muslim. To argue one party is Islamist defeats your entire argument about the religion being dangerous.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:46 pm
@parados,
Also,
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Country........Total Population....% Muslim.....Number of Muslims
Indonesia..... 206,611,600............... 95............ 196,281,020
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Another statistics of interest; Indonesia vs USA.

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Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People (any method)


Indonesia 0.68%


United States 6.7%
coldjoint
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:57 pm
@parados,
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about the religion being dangerous.


And what does argument does this defeat?
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Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2014.10.25 (Anbar, Iraq) - Three children at a playground are pulled into pieces by an Islamic State mortar round.
2014.10.24 (al-Ameriya, Iraq) - A dozen people lose their lives to various injuries suffered during an ISIS mortar attack.
2014.10.24 (Khogyani, Aghanistan) - Five civilians lose their lives when Sunni radicals suddenly open fire point-blank on their vehicle.
2014.10.24 (al-Kharouba , Egypt) - Thirty people are torn to shreds by an Ansar Bayt al-Maqsis suicide car bomber.
2014.10.23 (Yamale, CAR) - Thirty Christians are massacred by Islamic extremists.
2014.10.23 (Mafa, Nigeria) - Boko Haram militants murder seventeen villagers and abduct thirty children.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
coldjoint
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Another statistics of interest; Indonesia vs USA.



Link.
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parados
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 07:35 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:



And what does argument does this defeat?


Could you rephrase that in a fashion that makes some semblance of sense?
coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:46 am
@parados,
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Could you rephrase that in a fashion that makes some semblance of sense?


As soon as you pull your head out of your ass and admit the serious problem Islam truly is. I know you love to deny the failing president and economy, but this problem is undeniable.

And it makes perfect sense when you say the religion is not dangerous.
parados
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:51 am
@coldjoint,
So, if the religion is dangerous then why is the Islamic Brotherhood worse than the current leaders of Egypt?
coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:53 am
@parados,
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So, if the religion is dangerous then why is the Islamic Brotherhood worse than the current leaders of Egypt?

Sharia law.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:01 am
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Black Panther hails ax attack on cops

Another progressive ally jumps on the bandwagon and praises those poor victims, the Muslims.

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While he hailed the ax man as a “crusader,” Francois insisted he didn’t agree with Thompson’s methods.(Bullshit)

“I tell people that to go up against law enforcement in this country is suicide,” he said. “Our main way to deal with it is to rally and boycotting.”
Thompson, 32, was a jihadist sympathizer who hated cops and white people, his family and friends have said

http://nypost.com/2014/10/27/new-black-panther-group-hails-ax-attacker/
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parados
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:17 am
@coldjoint,
So, then it isn't the religion that is dangerous, it is only some of the followers. Your logic quickly starts to fall apart here, Pinkie.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:27 am
@parados,
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So, then it isn't the religion that is dangerous, it is only some of the followers. Your logic quickly starts to fall apart here

Wrong. Islamic holy literature inspires terrorists. That makes the religion dangerous. Your logic is fallacy.
parados
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:49 pm
@coldjoint,
The Bible inspires some murderers.
The Beatles White Album inspired Charles Manson.

Once again, your logic falls apart.
vikorr
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 01:17 pm
@parados,
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Egypt is 95% muslim. To argue one party is Islamist defeats your entire argument about the religion being dangerous.

In relation to the muslim brotherhood, sure:
- ignore their history and what they stand for, and that it is purely a religious, Islamic organisation; and
- ignore the muslim brotherhoods call for violence against christians; and
- ignore the timing of the 'sudden' widespread burning of churches and attacks on christians

In relation to that somehow rendering Islam right around the world not dangerous (despite the evidence of violence in Islams name, right around the world) ...completely illogical.

Drunk
coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 01:40 pm
@parados,
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Once again, your logic falls apart.


Do you consider religions logical?
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2014 02:00 pm
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Some of the other “heroisms” by the pious Muslim Timur Lenk and his men:


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Captured Delhi (India) - ordered 100ooo - one hundred thousand - Hindu prisoners murdered because “they could be a danger to his armies”.
Sacked Miraj (town in India) and skinned the Hindu inhabitants alive.

He also systematically murdered all Christians he could lay his hands on:

In Sivas: 4ooo Christians buried alive.
In Tus: Some 10ooo Christians murdered.
In Saray: Some 100ooo Christians murdered.
In Bagdad: Some 90ooo Christians murdered.
In Isfahan: Some 70ooo Christians murdered.
And there were so many other towns and cities.


There is a chip of the old block. This is emulation of Mohammed taught by Islam. To not consider teaching this teaching hate is illogical.

Great site


http://www.1000mistakes.com/jihad-holywar/index.php?Page=004_016
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