Ray Rice:Discussing domestic violence

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I'm sure some of you are familiar with the situation of Ray Rice the football player who knocked his fiancee out in an hotel elevator during a domestic issue. Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship, but I would like to ask, when it comes to domestic violence what is the difference between DV (Domestic Violence) and self-defense? Would self-defense be classified as responsive violence as opposed to DV which is chronic occurrence of violence?

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@Buttermilk,

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Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship,

I don't think the media circus/public spectacle has led to any insight into the prevailing issues of anything.

The fact that no one is giving Janay Rice (the victim) any respect is a little troubling to me. In the rush to judgement, her voice is being completely drowned out and her point of view is being dismissed (if not openly mocked).

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@maxdancona,

But who is not giving Janay respect? From my understanding unless I'm missing something, wasn't Janay the one one that initiated the physical contact?

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@Buttermilk,

Have you listened to what Janay is saying about the incident and about the public uproar that followed?

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@maxdancona,

I've seen the video she posted on twitter regarding the situation after Ray Rice was cut from the Ravens.

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@Buttermilk,

Do you respect her for what she is saying? Do you support her?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

The fact that no one is giving Janay Rice (the victim) any respect is a little troubling to me. In the rush to judgement, her voice is being completely drowned out and her point of view is being dismissed (if not openly mocked).

I've had the same concerns.

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@Buttermilk,

Buttermilk wrote:

I'm sure some of you are familiar with the situation of Ray Rice the football player who knocked his fiancee out in an hotel elevator during a domestic issue. Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship, but I would like to ask, when it comes to domestic violence what is the difference between DV (Domestic Violence) and self-defense?

Would self-defense be classified as responsive violence
as opposed to DV which is chronic occurrence of violence?

The first time that he became violent with her,
definitionally, it was NOT chronic violence.

David

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I love the idea that ruining the career of her now husband again her own express wished is going to be doing her any favors.

Women are children that need society protection even when they clearly had stated otherwise and empowering women is the last thing we in fact wish to do.

The lesson here to women is if they wish to have any say in the matter they can not get the police involved.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I love the idea that ruining the career of her now husband against her
own express wished is going to be doing her any favors.

Women are children that need society protection even when they
clearly had stated otherwise and empowering women is the last thing
we in fact wish to do.

The ladies r gonna get pretty mad at u
for saying that, Bill!

BillRM wrote:

The lesson here to women is if they wish to have any say in the matter
they can not get the police involved.

It amounted to a de facto fine, in the millions of dollars,
against the victim, the wife.

Maybe she'll divorce him and try for a ball player
that has NOT been thrown out of his career. U think ?

There is a Friends of NRA Banquet on Friday, Sept. 19th,
at the Palm Beach Hilton, at 150 Australia Ave,
West Palm Beach, Florida at 6 PM. I 've got my ticket all ready!
Thay ofen have free guns, as door prizes!
When I was in NY, my friend, Cliff, sitting right next to me,
won a $7OO 9mm Glock 17 and about 3 weeks later, at another dinner,
my friend, Donald, won a .45 caliber compact SIG pistol as a door prize.
I did not win anything.

Y don' t u bring your mom, Bill??
I bet that she 'd enjoy a nice nite out!
I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?

She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.

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@BillRM,

DAVID wrote:

I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?

BillRM wrote:

She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so
but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.

Well, my eyesight is OK.
Will I see u both at the Friends of NRA Banquet??

I look forward to meeting u both.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

DAVID wrote:

I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?

BillRM wrote:

She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so
but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Well, my eyesight is OK.
Will I see u both at the Friends of NRA Banquet??

I look forward to meeting u both.

David

It is one week from today,
that we will have the Friends of NRA Banquet.
I look forward to it eagerly. It will be an opportunity
to make new pro-freedom friends in Florida.

I wish that I coud take MY mom to the Banquet,
but I lost her over 4O years ago.

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Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?

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@glitterbag,

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Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?

LOL where oh where did you come up with that question?

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@BillRM,

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Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?

BillRM wrote:

LOL where oh where did you come up with that question?

Whether someone 's life is in danger
is not necessarily related to being in fear.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'm just curious if everyone saw the same video. Someone mentioned she started it, even if that's true, did Ray Rice respond the way he did because he thought his now wife was going to injure him. Was it an appropriate amount of force to protect himself?

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@glitterbag,

Well, we can take a reasonable inference
that she sought to provoke him to anger
by spitting in his face. I suspect that it worked.

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@glitterbag,

Once more how does anyone come up with fear of any kind over this event?
He surely was not in fear of her and given how she confronted him she was not in fear of him at least at the time.

My theory and it only a theory is that they both had been drinking and his wife spited in his eyes and he lost it and slug her.

Bad behaviors from both of them and no he did not have a right to slug her but losing a career that will harm both of them and is clearly against the wishes of his now wife is crazy also in my opinion.

To this point in time there had been no indication that had come to light that there had been a history of domestic violence between the two of them. At least no indications that I am aware of.

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@maxdancona,

Well I support the NFL's stance on domestic violence but if she is as guilty as Ray I don't support her.

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