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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 06:10 pm
Here's a saying "No money, no honey", which refers to "if you don't have money, there will be no love between us (you and me)".

An attempt to follow this pattern to make a new saying:

No kill, no death knell.
It refers to "if you don't kill (innocent) people, there will be no death knell for you".

But does it work in your native English speakers' ears?
A similar making of such saying in an exaggerating way:

No making trouble, no death knell.
(Which is used to warn troublemakers)

I need your opinions.
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 09:02 pm
@oristarA,
To me that doesn't sound right.

The thing about a saying is that it has to be catchy, perceived as clever at least.

The thing about "no money, no honey" really connotes more or a "no money, no sex" rather than no love, in my opinion. Or a least indicating the person won't hang around with you as you won't be able to spend it on a good time.

There's a well know song by Willie Nelson called
"If you've got the money honey, I've got the time"



(BTW, this is a kind of silly song by Willie. He has also written and sung love songs that make me cry)

For your saying, since it's short, rhyming would be good. Like no more dying, no more crying.

This one is beautiful....


oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 09:16 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

To me that doesn't sound right.

The thing about a saying is that it has to be catchy, perceived as clever at least.

The thing about "no money, no honey" really connotes more or a "no money, no sex" rather than no love, in my opinion. Or a least indicating the person won't hang around with you as you won't be able to spend it on a good time.

There's a well know song by Willie Nelson called
"If you've got the money honey, I've got the time"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVphs8eP6c4[/youtube]

(BTW, this is a kind of silly song by Willie. He has also written and sung love songs that make me cry)

For your saying, since it's short, rhyming would be good. Like no more dying, no more crying.

This one is beautiful....

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y[/youtube]



That is right.
But how about "No kill, no death knell"?
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 09:17 pm
Well, as I said, it doesn't sound right.

The thing about a saying is that it has to be catchy, perceived as clever at least.



oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 12:11 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Well, as I said, it doesn't sound right.

The thing about a saying is that it has to be catchy, perceived as clever at least.



"No making trouble, no death knell" is also failed?

Would any one like to make a clever and catchy one according to the meaning of "No making trouble, no death knell"?
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 12:38 am
Nobody would have used "death knell" in a catchy, pithy saying since about 1840 approximately.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 04:48 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

Nobody would have used "death knell" in a catchy, pithy saying since about 1840 approximately.


Well, thanks. Sounds that's too old-fashioned to be used again.
So I edited "No making trouble, no death knell" into "No mess, no loss".
Does it work?
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 05:30 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

So I edited "No making trouble, no death knell" into "No mess, no loss".
Does it work?


It does not rhyme, so I would say "no".


oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 05:34 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

oristarA wrote:

So I edited "No making trouble, no death knell" into "No mess, no loss".
Does it work?


It does not rhyme, so I would say "no".





Beats me!
Doesn't mess rhyme with loss?
PS. Did you mean the meaning of "no mess, no loss" is clear and correct?
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 05:38 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Doesn't mess rhyme with loss?

Mess does not rhyme with loss. They have different vowels. Mess rhymes with chess, less, guess, confess, dress, (etc). and loss rhymes with toss, boss, moss (etc).

oristarA wrote:
Did you mean the meaning of "no mess, no loss" is clear and correct?

What is it supposed to mean?

chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 09:28 am
I think we need to go back to the drawing board on this one.

"No mess, no loss" not only doesn't rhyme, but if you're trying to say, essentially "if you don't murder innocent people, you won't be convicted and executed yourself" it doesn't convey that mean at all.

To my English/American ears if I hear "No mess, no loss" I more think "If you are efficient in what you are doing, you will not waste materials."

The word "loss" as pertaining to death would more be used in sympathy to another person, as in "I'm sorry for your loss", when a loved one dies. Or, if involving a group on people, it's in the case of something tragic happening, and innocent people have died.

In any event, at least in this country, it's been said/documented that threats on the death penalty does not dissuade someone from commiting murder.

Let me think about a phrase while I have my second cup of coffe. I'll be back.

chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 09:41 am
@chai2,
If you're a killer,
you'll end up in the chiller.

For muder you'll be given,
A lifetime sentence in prison

The death sentence is the penalty
For murder there is no clemancy
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:37 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Doesn't mess rhyme with loss?

Mess does not rhyme with loss. They have different vowels. Mess rhymes with chess, less, guess, confess, dress, (etc). and loss rhymes with toss, boss, moss (etc).




Does pot rhyme with loss since they share the same vowel?
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:45 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

If you're a killer,
you'll end up in the chiller.

For muder you'll be given,
A lifetime sentence in prison

The death sentence is the penalty
For murder there is no clemancy


(clemency)

Cool.
But I appreciate more of the format "no money, no honey".
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:54 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

contrex wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Doesn't mess rhyme with loss?

Mess does not rhyme with loss. They have different vowels. Mess rhymes with chess, less, guess, confess, dress, (etc). and loss rhymes with toss, boss, moss (etc).




Does pot rhyme with loss since they share the same vowel?


No.
Just because they have the same vowel, doesn't mean they will automatically rhyme. Remember long and short vowels.

pot rhymes words like tot, shot, thought, even yacht.

loss rhymes with boss, toss, sauce, Santa Klaus.

If I may ask, are you pronouncing these words out loud, or just relying on how they look visually.
May be a stupid question, sorry if it is, but I wonder if the idea of rhyming is different in Chinese than in English. I just listened to a few rhymes in Chinese on Youtube, and I have to admit I had a hard time hearing words that rhymed, except for obvious things where they ended in an "a" sound.
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:56 am
@oristarA,
I can be a horrendous speller.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:59 am
@oristarA,
a classic idiom with a rhyming pattern

No pain, no gain.

___


a non-rhyming idiom in the same style

No harm, no foul.


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One of the requirements for this type of idiom is that each segment has the same number of beats.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 11:00 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

No kill, no death knell.


doesn't rhyme, doesn't have the same number of beats in each section.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 11:01 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:


"No making trouble, no death knell"



doesn't rhyme, doesn't have the same number of beats in both sections
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 11:01 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

a classic idiom with a rhyming pattern

No pain, no gain.

___


a non-rhyming idiom in the same style

No harm, no foul.


~~~~


One of the requirements for this type of idiom is that each segment has the same number of beats.




Yes!

I didn't know how to say that.
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