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[+3] - OmSigDAVID - 02/01/2014Its been so long that I hesistate to trust my memory but in [u]The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress[/u], if I remember he wrote of multiple marriage groups of several members, of which 1 was an...
[+3] - OmSigDAVID - 02/01/2014 Again, in [u]The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress[/u] the leading character (the 1 with a mechanical hand), he was not shown to have come from the elite. Maybe lower middle-class, was my general...
[+3] - BillRM - 02/01/2014[quote]Bill, i have no interest in arguing with a idiot. Have a nice life, don't write.[/quote] LOL instead of Heinlein I would suggest you spend your time in reading the book "How To Win...

Instead, Mobile will do it.
Laughing

Just a joke.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Other then mankind those cute and lovely looking bears are the most dangerous land predators on earth.

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Robert Heinlein quote

There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature.'" The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" — but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the Naturist reveals his hatred for his own race — i.e., his own self-hatred.
In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.
As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women — it strikes me as a fine arrangement — and perfectly "natural" Believe it or not, there were "Naturists" who opposed the first flight to old Earth's Moon as being "unnatural" and a "despoiling of Nature."

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@BillRM,

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the most dangerous land predators on earth.

It is not the most dangerous land predators
It is one of the most dangerous animals......

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@BillRM,

who says we "love" beaver dams. henever were up in Maine we and neighbors are always tearing em apart and dynamiting them. They can ruin good pasture and even undermine foundations by backing up ground water.
So your analogy isn't too valid for "naturism"

Are you saying that animals should not have a place in the environment?

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that's right, we Polar Bears are adorable but we'd also as soon rip you apart as not if you piss us off. Always good to keep in mind. Evil or Very Mad

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@saab,

saab wrote:

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the most dangerous land predators on earth.

It is not the most dangerous land predators
It is one of the most dangerous animals......

Man is THE most dangerous predator

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@farmerman,

Never really liked Heinlein's reasoning on many subjects. I see us looking for a balance, to allow animals and humans to coexist as much as we can.

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Oil industry experts predict oil will finally run out "sometime this century".
So I bet when that begins to happen all motorists will be screaming like crazy for oil to be got out of Alaska and everywhere else.. Smile

(I don't drive, never have, never will)

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@blueveinedthrobber,

I said it is one of the most dangerous - which would also include mankind - if that is what you want.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Oil industry experts predict oil will finally run out "sometime this century".
So I bet when that begins to happen all motorists will be screaming
like crazy for oil to be got out of Alaska and everywhere else..
(I don't drive, never have, never will)

Y not ???

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@edgarblythe,

I would certainly agree that Heinlein was not a great thinker. It's possible to read all of his books quickly by just skipping over his reactionary, allegedly libertarian rants, which eliminates more than half of the text. Just to sweeten the mix, he was elitist, sexist and racist.

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@Setanta,

Its been a long time, but I remember him as an anti-racist.

How did he fail as a libertarian ?

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@Setanta,

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Just to sweeten the mix, he was elitist, sexist and racist.

Interesting claims let see he married his second wife an engineer of all things in the late 1940s.

Off hand that seems to be a strange thing to do if he was a sexist to picked a wife that had the drive and nerve to have an engineering career in the 1930s/1940s.

In this book starship troopers he did not have any women in ground combat but the officers of the troops ships up to the captain tend to be female and they went into harm way.

Oh I forgot the main character in that book was reveal to be black at the end of the book if memory serve me correctly.

Next as far as being elitist once more referring to that book anyone who wish to go into Federal service could be a citizen and some countries had a very small percents of it population citizens and some have eighty percents or more citizens.

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@BillRM,

Its been so long that I hesistate to trust my memory
but in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, if I remember
he wrote of multiple marriage groups of several members,
of which 1 was an African. U can t get much more un-racistic than marrying a black.

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Again, in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
the leading character (the 1 with a mechanical hand),
he was not shown to have come from the elite.

Maybe lower middle-class, was my general impression of him.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yes in moon is a Harsh Mistress no one care about skin colors and one of the characters was a young female who attacked the warden guards bare handed when they came into a meeting shooting.

The girl as young as she happen to be was then given an important position in the revolution due to her actions.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Again, in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
the leading character (the 1 with a mechanical hand),
he was not shown to have come from the elite.

Maybe lower middle-class, was my general impression of him

He married into one of the oldest and most important line marriages on the moon so at the time of the story he did have a fairly high social standing.

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@Setanta,

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Just to sweeten the mix, he was elitist, sexist and racist

To sum up from either his personal life or his writings I do not see him being guilty of any of the above charges.

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@BillRM,

Mr. Setanta wrote:

Just to sweeten the mix, he was elitist, sexist and racist.

BillRM wrote:

Oh I forgot the main character in that book was reveal to be black
at the end of the book if memory serve me correctly.

If Heinlein did that in 2 books (at least)
that shows an anti-racist crusade from him,
yet Mr. S feels a need to characterize him as a racist.
What more does he WANT??? Seriously??

David

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