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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:13 am
Interesting: http://www.nature.com/ncb/journal/v16/n1/full/ncb2885.html

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The bacterial cell division proteins FtsA and FtsZ self-organize into dynamic cytoskeletal patterns

Martin Loose & Timothy J. Mitchison

Nature Cell Biology 16, 38–46 (2014) doi:10.1038/ncb2885
Received 30 August 2013 Accepted 28 October 2013 Published online 08 December 2013

Abstract•

Bacterial cytokinesis is commonly initiated by the Z-ring, a cytoskeletal structure that assembles at the site of division. Its primary component is FtsZ, a tubulin superfamily GTPase, which is recruited to the membrane by the actin-related protein FtsA. Both proteins are required for the formation of the Z-ring, but if and how they influence each other’s assembly dynamics is not known. Here, we reconstituted FtsA-dependent recruitment of FtsZ polymers to supported membranes, where both proteins self-organize into complex patterns, such as fast-moving filament bundles and chirally rotating rings. Using fluorescence microscopy and biochemical perturbations, we found that these large-scale rearrangements of FtsZ emerge from its polymerization dynamics and a dual, antagonistic role of FtsA: recruitment of FtsZ filaments to the membrane and negative regulation of FtsZ organization. Our findings provide a model for the initial steps of bacterial cell division and illustrate how dynamic polymers can self-organize into large-scale structures.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:14 am
http://up.botstudent.net/outboard-motor-molecule-300x290.jpg
A bacterial flagellum works a lot like an outboard motor on a boat. Only it’s microscopic. What’s interesting is that if one tiny piece of the flagellum is altered, the whole thing stops working.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:15 am
Quote:
At the very basis of life, where molecules and cells run the show, we’ve discovered machines – literally, molecular machines. There are little molecular trucks that carry supplies from one end of the cell to the other. There are machines that capture the energy from sunlight and turn it into usable energy…

When we looked at these machines, we asked ourselves ‘where did they come from?’ And the standard answer – Darwinian evolution – is very inadequate, in my view.

- Dr. Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry
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FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:17 am
Image of the above, different source: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41684/title/Image-of-the-Day--Self-Assembling-Spirals/

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/Spirals640.jpg
Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:20 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Image of the above, different source:


So?????
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 06:44 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quahog seems to be arguing a point that's been settled for over 15 years or more

Quote:


The Flaw in the Mousetrap
Kenneth R. Miller



Intelligent design fails the biochemistry test.

(a reply to The Challenge of Irreducible Complexity by Michael J. Behe)

To understand why the scientific community has been unimpressed by attempts to resurrect the so-called argument from design, one need look no further than Michael J. Behe's own essay. He argues that complex biochemical systems could not possibly have been produced by evolution because they possess a quality he calls irreducible complexity. Just like mousetraps, these systems cannot function unless each of their parts is in place. Since "natural selection can only choose among systems that are already working," there is no way that Darwinian mechanisms could have fashioned the complex systems found in living cells. And if such systems could not have evolved, they musthave been designed. That is the totality of the biochemical "evidence" for intelligent design.

Ironically, Behe's own example, the mousetrap, shows what's wrong with this idea. Take away two parts (the catch and the metal bar), and you may not have a mousetrap but you do have a three-part machine that makes a fully functional tie clip or paper clip. Take away the spring, and you have a two-part key chain. The catch of some mousetraps could be used as a fishhook, and the wooden base as a paperweight; useful applications of other parts include everything from toothpicks to nutcrackers and clipboard holders. The point, which science has long understood, is that bits and pieces of supposedly irreducibly complex machines may have different— but still useful—functions.

Behe's contention that each and every piece of a machine, mechanical or biochemical, must be assembled in its final form before anything useful can emerge is just plain wrong. Evolution produces complex biochemical machines by copying, modifying, and combining proteins previously used for other functions. Looking for examples? The systems in Behe's essay will do just fine.

He writes that in the absence of "almost any" of its parts, the bacterial flagellum "does not work." But guess what? A small group of proteins from the flagellum does work without the rest of the machine—it's used by many bacteria as a device for injecting poisons into other cells. Although the function performed by this small part when working alone is different, it nonetheless can be favored by natural selection.

The key proteins that clot blood fit this pattern,too. They're actually modified versions of proteins used in the digestive system. The elegant work of Russell Doolittle has shown how evolution duplicated, retargeted, and modified these proteins to produce the vertebrate blood-clotting system.

And Behe may throw up his hands and say that he cannot imagine how the components that move proteins between subcellular compartments could have evolved, but scientists actually working on such systems completely disagree. In a 1998 article in the journal Cell, a group led by James Rothman, of the Sloan-Kettering Institute, described the remarkable simplicity and uniformity of these mechanisms. They also noted that these mechanisms "suggest in a natural way how the many and diverse compartments in eukaryotic cells could have evolved in the first place." Working researchers, it seems, see something very different from what Behe sees in these systems—they see evolution.

If Behe wishes to suggest that the intricacies of nature, life, and the universe reveal a world of meaning and purpose consistent with a divine intelligence, his point is philosophical, not scientific. It is a philosophical point of view, incidentally, that I share. However, to support that view, one should not find it necessary to pretend that we know less than we really do about the evolution of living systems. In the final analysis, the biochemical hypothesis of intelligent design fails not because the scientific community is closed to it but rather for the most basic of reasons—because it is overwhelmingly contradicted by the scientific evidence.

Kenneth R. Miller is a professor of biology at Brown University. His research work on cell membrane structure and function has been reported in such journals as Nature, Cell, and the Journal of Cell Biology. Miller is co-author of several widely used high school and college biology textbooks, and in 1999 he published Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution (Cliff Street Books
FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 06:56 am
@farmerman,
You can lead a horse to water...
Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 07:42 am
@FBM,
well, you have to be honest now, it doesn't say a thing! If it does, please, please, please, please, please tell us what it tells us!!!
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FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 07:44 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

You can lead a horse to water...



...but you can't make him think.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 07:50 am
@FBM,
But this is only (AGAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN) an Ad Hominem and hence not a good argument,

Can you please give some really good arguments, PLEASE?

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FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 08:51 am
ehBeth
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 08:56 am
@FBM,
this thread needs a little levity




I'll be back if I ever stop laughing
FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 09:01 am
@ehBeth,
Heehee...

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Olivier5
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 12:16 pm
@farmerman,
Excellent text, tx.
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 01:15 pm
@Olivier5,
Its the old observation that evolution "is taking something you've already got and spiffing it up to do something different with it"
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 01:36 pm
@ehBeth,
But this thread IS about laughing your socks off when you see the religious fundamnetal evolutionists nuts squirm! lol
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 02:28 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
youre not a very convincing debator Quahog. So far all you've done is post drivvle from creationist sites and scream something about evidence.
You've mostly tried hit and run, why not engage us for some serious discussion?
youre not AFRAID are you?


cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 03:33 pm
@farmerman,
He's afraid that his belief in his religion and god has been a hoax for most of his life. Such a huge mistake in judgement does not come easily.
FBM
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 06:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Intense engagement in something is a huge investment. I can see why he/they'd be in denial over the fact that 5 of the 6 lottery numbers have been read out already, and so far they haven't had any hits...
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 08:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
The ability of humans to take life to new worlds, and free this life for later use as food and fuel.............is entirely predictable, and creates God from within.
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