Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Quehoniaomath,

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Do a search on Victor Zimmit.

This guy? You're having me on.... :-)

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Victor Zammit is an Australian lawyer who believes in an afterlife. It is of course his right to believe anything he wants to, but he seems mightily irked by the fact that some skeptics have suggested that there is no evidence of such a thing existing. He has written a book detailing his beliefs and has challenged skeptics to prove him wrong, upon which proof he will give them $1,000,000. As it is impossible to prove that something does not exist, his money is safe (and he knows it).

And this was the first listing in a goog search for him. http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/vzammit.htm

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@Builder,

lol

maybe research his work FIRST, before you come to any conclusion.

This a bit dumb of you, isn't it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCUlo_iCMAAXJHA.jpg

Difficult eh?

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@Quehoniaomath,

I'm not jumping through your hoops.

Present some evidence.

You've been SCREAMING for us to do the same. :-)

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@FBM,

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Which hyerspace are you talking about (more than one has been proposed, and the word means something different in topology than in physics), and which one has been proven to be anything other than an abstract, speculative construct? Furthermore, which hyperspace has been proposed that is completely independent of observation all the way back to its foundations

     O.K. you claim that the Hyperspace exists and the consensus of the physicists is that it is 11-dimensional. I am not going to argue that. Suppose it is an axiomatic truth of the last resort ... in any interpretation of the world.
     Then, some 13.7 Bya appears the red shift in the light spectrum presenting itself on the telescope as the Big Bang and starts performing various measures - like for example 'creating' the 3-D space out of whatever (without any evidences for the assumptions, BTW), right?
     If the 11-D space exists (and has always existed), and if our 3-D space is made out of that 11-D space by means of some constraints (that have nothing to do with any Big Bang) - what exactly has the Big Bang 'created'? Would you explain?

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@Herald,

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O.K. you claim that the Hyperspace exists and the consensus of the physicists is that it is 11-dimensional.

Where did I make such a claim? Either you're being incredibly dense or intentionally dishonest.

Let me try another tack. Since you won't provide positive evidence for the existence of your god, how about sharing your database? What is your source of information about this entity such that you can claim to know it exists?

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@FBM,

Good question. There must be 'something' that they are using as their source for their belief in their god.

I broke out in an involuntary laugh as I wrote this.

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm presuming that harold is a member of a larger group that uses some sort of text, but I suppose it's also possible that he's thought up some original conception of a creator-being.

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@FBM,

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Which hyerspace are you talking about

Obviously it is not the science fiction interpretation. Perhaps the higher dimensions.
I honestly cannot tell you what is the difference between higher dimensions and topology of higher order, not to speak that nobody can tell you for sure whether the hyperspace in the physical interpretation is based on higher dimensions, or on higher topology ... or on both.

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@Herald,

They're all hypothetical mathematical models. They may or may not have anything to do with any physical manifestation, and nobody as far as I know claims to know that they do. Except you, of course. Wink

Blurring the line between abstract concepts/models and physical reality is not going to help you slip in your god somewhere.

To do that, you'll need to provide some positive evidence for it.

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Because evidence and openness matter, a very interesting development here:

http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/cern-releases-data-lhc-experiments/

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CERN Releases Data From LHC Experiments
Posted on November 23, 2014 by Edis Tireli in Physics

CERN launched its Open Data Portal, which will publicly make available real data from collision events at the LHC. This is the first time CERN has made data publicly available to all in a way such as this. The Open Data Portal was established to provide educational resources, and will be of high value for the research community in general.

“Launching the CERN Open Data Portal is an important step for our Organization. Data from the LHC programme are among the most precious assets of the LHC experiments, that today we start sharing openly with the world. We hope these open data will support and inspire the global research community, including students and citizen scientists,” says CERN Director-General Rolf Heuer.

All CERN publications, and future publications, will be made public for everyone to read and reuse freely. The last time CERN published high-quality, aanalyzabledata was from the CMS experiment, originally collected in 2010 during the LHCs first run.

“This is all new and we are curious to see how the data will be re-used,” says CMS data preservation coordinator Kati Lassila-Perini. “We’ve prepared tools and examples of different levels of complexity from simplified analysis to ready-to-use online applications. We hope these examples will stimulate the creativity of external users.”
...

Continued at above link, which also includes a link to the CERN site.

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@FBM,

Researchers at the Monterey Bay Aquarium found a very ugly fish that lives thousands of feet under water. The oxygen level is very low, but they are able to survive in that environment. The male of the species must attach to the female to survive. They are saying that the warming of the water may create problems for this species of fish, because the oxygen level will decrease even more.
This is yet another proof that environment makes all the difference in adaptation and evolution.

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@cicerone imposter,

Angler fish? I was watching new video of a female in the wild last night. If that's not evolution in action, I don't know what is.

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@FBM,

Yes, angler fish also called Black Seadevil. Amazing critters that they can live in such deep waters where oxygen is almost nonexistent.

Everything you wanted to know about angler fish.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/anglerfish/

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@cicerone imposter,

That is one freaky beastie.

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@cicerone imposter,

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

They're all hypothetical mathematical models.

... and axiomatic assumptions, unsubjectable to dispute, or to any verification and validation 'pieces of evidence' of the Big Bang 'theory'.

FBM wrote:

They may or may not have anything to do with any physical manifestation

... which means that Big Bang may be plausible under certain assumptions, but as these assumptions are most probably uncertain, the Big Bang itself is built on a house of cards, or quicksand, or call it as you like, but in any case scenario it is not solid ground

FBM wrote:

... and nobody as far as I know claims to know that they do. Except you, of course.

It is not exactly so. This is the official interpretation for the 'creation' of the world by the Big Bang ... accepted later as an assumption in the string theory - the theory of everything, the manifestation of the Mind of God, etc. This is not my opinion.
May I ask you something: If you don't defend the official position of Science (in case you have heard of it at all) - what exactly are you defending?

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Blurring the line between abstract concepts/models and physical reality is not going to help you slip in your god somewhere.

It is the Big Bang 'theory' that is blurring the boundary between truth and false, between physical reality and pseudo-scientific beliefs ... presented as axiomatic truth of seventh star magnitude ... by default. I have had good teachers.

FBM wrote:

Blurring the line between abstract concepts/models and physical reality ...

I am not blurring anything. There is a clear distinction between these and it is called function of representation. When some people are missing the point they start speculating on fuzzy logics - nothing new under the sun, the question is: How old it actually is ... and what has been right there in its place, from 13.7 Bya to 4.38 Bya, for example?

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@Herald,

Please refute this evidence for the big bang theory.
http://space.io9.com/have-physicists-detected-gravitational-waves-yes-1545591865

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@Herald,

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... and axiomatic assumptions, unsubjectable to dispute, or to any verification and validation 'pieces of evidence' of the Big Bang 'theory'.

They are disputed routinely. You don't seem to know much about how the current models go to the form they're currently in. Why do you think they're not subject to verification? They ruled out the earlier models specifically because they disagreed with observation.

Which god are you proposing made the universe?

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@FBM,

I would just like to see Herald dispute the article I posted above on the verification of the big bang theory.

But the real question I have for him is, "PROVE YOUR GOD EXISTS?"

He seems to come up with a lot of questions about the big bang theory, but can't seem to answer one simple question about his god.

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@cicerone imposter,

That's one helluvan article. I liked this part:

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Hard Data Supports the Big Bang Theory

Why does it matter? In a world with no data, all theories are equal. We now have data, so the number of inflation models that still make sense is a much smaller set. Even with this announcement, research isn't done — more projects going forward will be expanding and confirming these results.

Emphasis mine. Now if only herod would cough up some hard data for his god, whichever one he's claiming.

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