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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2014 11:25 pm
@farmerman,
I find that funny! Poor Frank. Doesn't have anything better to do.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2014 05:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I find that funny! Poor Frank. Doesn't have anything better to do.


What I find funny is the pretense on your part that you do not read what I write.

That...and the fact that you think you are above average in English usage.

This is great, ci...we are both getting a lot of fun out of all this.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/crying-with-laughter.gif
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2014 06:15 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, let's face it, you don't and you won't 'get it'

it is ok mate sitdown and relax.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2014 10:54 am
@Quehoniaomath,
look who is trying to compose a thought, its Quahog.

Ill bet he has never been accused of being "sufficiently educated"
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2014 09:02 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Ill bet he has never been accused of being "sufficiently educated"
     FM, so and so you are 'sufficiently educated' (in the vicious GMO practices), why don't you tell us what direct evidences you have about evolutionary processes ever happening? What about testing and verification (of the mind-blowing theories) - how many brand new species have you designed so far with your amino-acid laser gun in your lab, for example? How many extinct species have you revived to life, etc.? How many defected DNA sequences have you fixed so far?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2014 09:16 pm
@Herald,
"Brand new species?" LMAO
Did you know that homo sapiens are the 'new' species from the primates?

From the Smithsonian Institution.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-family-tree
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2014 12:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
LMAO
     Is that the 'evidence' that you can provide to the world ... about the infinity of you ignorance.
cicerone imposter wrote:
Did you know that homo sapiens are the 'new' species from the primates?
      ... and did you know that there has been Homo neanderthalensis much before Homo sapiens and that both species have nothing to do with each other ... some even suggest that they have not been interbreadable, hence those stories about Homo sapiens becoming new species from primates are nothing more than fables for idiots.
     Do you have any DNA from primates proving our origin (any combinatorics that could produce the DNA sequence of the contemporary humans)? Do you have that DNA sequence or you will start complaining how there has not been soft tissue from that time, where to extract the DNA from.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2014 12:55 pm
@Herald,
There are many scientific proof about DNA and its association between homo sapiens and chimps.
This is from the Smithsonian Institute; a national scientific institution.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/neanderthal-mitochondrial-dna

You offer challenges without so much as any proof or evidence. Never any specific credible source. You're a loser in every way; a child with no maturity in your ability to debate science or physics.

Your "it can't be" without any proof is childish to the extreme.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2014 08:47 pm
Herald, are you aware that chimpanzees and humans share something more than 97% of their genes in common? Are you aware that some geneticists think that's enough similarity that a chimpanzee-human hybrid would be viable? Which bears out the research which suggests a common ancestor somewhere around 6 million years ago, based on mutation rate of DNA? Which agrees well with the observed fossil record of hominim development?

Are you aware that comparisons of Neanderthal and homo sap sap DNA show that in fact we have around 4% of Neanderthal-specific genes in our genome, i.e., our ancestors and Neanderthals did in fact interbreed, and those hybrids were viable and fertile (or we would have no Neander genes, but we in fact do).

Are you further aware that humans and bananas share about 50% of their genes? (Hint: a mating between a human and a banans would not produce viable offspring).
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2014 11:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Herald, are you aware that chimpanzees and humans share something more than 97% of their genes in common? Are you aware that some geneticists think that's enough similarity that a chimpanzee-human hybrid would be viable? Which bears out the research which suggests a common ancestor somewhere around 6 million years ago, based on mutation rate of DNA? Which agrees well with the observed fossil record of hominim development?

Are you aware that comparisons of Neanderthal and homo sap sap DNA show that in fact we have around 4% of Neanderthal-specific genes in our genome, i.e., our ancestors and Neanderthals did in fact interbreed, and those hybrids were viable and fertile (or we would have no Neander genes, but we in fact do).

Are you further aware that humans and bananas share about 50% of their genes? (Hint: a mating between a human and a banans would not produce viable offspring


You see, the above is proof that it is all in the mind's eye!
!
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2014 03:42 pm
quahog says:
Quote:
You see, the above is proof that it is all in the mind's eye!


What nonsense. Not in the mind at all. In the DNA. Cold hard fact.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2014 05:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
Some people just don't have the capacity to know the difference between "mind's eye" and FACTS. They continue to struggle through life without really understanding their surroundings in total confusion.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 01:23 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
What nonsense. Not in the mind at all. In the DNA. Cold hard fact.


Nope, it is no nonsense.
What I mean is that people who believe the evolution nonsense. see all kind of evidence, even were there is none.
It a perception deception.
There are no 'hard cold facts' if you scrutinize up close.
The Emperor has no clothes.
He really, really, really is very very naked. But you can't see that because
of your deeply ingrained belief that the Emperor has clothes.
The rest is up to you.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 07:21 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Preconceived Bias will hit us all in the nuts from time to time
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 08:18 am
@Smileyrius,
Quote:
Preconceived Bias will hit us all in the nuts from time to time


Exactly. But my point is that you don't recognize it when it is happening to you. Wink
parados
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 10:06 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

Quote:
Preconceived Bias will hit us all in the nuts from time to time


Exactly. But my point is that you don't recognize it when it is happening to you. Wink


It's easy for us to recognize when it happens to you, Q.
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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 10:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
There are many scientific proof about DNA and its association between homo sapiens and chimps
     In the text of the reference you are making herein above they are not saying exactly that. Have you read at all what they are saying there.
Quote:
A small sample of bone was ground up to extract mtDNA.
... the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans dates to approximately 550,000 to 690,000 years ago, which is about four times older than the modern human mtDNA pool.
     Do you understand what is said in this claim? The nearest possible offshoot of modern humans (Homo sapiens) and the Neanderthals dates back to ... 690 000 years ago.
Quote:
This is consistent with the idea that Neanderthals did not contribute substantially to modern human.
     It is almost sure that we are not descendants of the Neanderthals
Quote:
Most human sequences differ from each other by on average 8.0 substitutions, while the human and chimpanzee sequences differ by about 55.0 substitutions. The Neanderthal and modern human sequences differed by approximately 27.2 substitutions.
     Don't you think that 27 substitutions is sufficient difference to be considered a brand new species.
Quote:
These results confirmed the earlier findings that showed that Neanderthals were unlikely to have contributed to the modern human genome. As with the previous study of Neanderthal mtDNA, results were consistent with separation between the Neanderthal and modern human  pools or with very low amounts of gene flow between the two groups.
     What this conclusion is saying and what you claim in relation to that reference confirms that you haven't understood anything of what they are saying.
Quote:
Mitochondrial DNA from the Paglicci specimens as well as other ancient humans fit within the range of modern humans, but the Neanderthals remain consistently genetically distinct. This shows that early anatomically modern Homo sapienswere not very different genetically from current modern humans, but were still different from Neanderthals.
     The claim is that there is no evolutionary backtrack between us and the Neanderthals, let alone Chimpanzees.
cicerone imposter wrote:
This is from the Smithsonian Institute; a national scientific institution.
     I am not at your level to allow myself to make some frivolous interpretations of statements of renowned institutes. A simple quote without twisting the words would be O.K.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 11:10 pm
@Herald,
From Wiki.
Quote:
Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives



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By Ann Gibbons 13 June 2012 1:30 pm 45 Comments
Chimpanzees now have to share the distinction of being our closest living relative in the animal kingdom. An international team of researchers has sequenced the genome of the bonobo for the first time, confirming that it shares the same percentage of its DNA with us as chimps do. The team also found some small but tantalizing differences in the genomes of the three species—differences that may explain how bonobos and chimpanzees don't look or act like us even though we share about 99% of our DNA.

"We're so closely related genetically, yet our behavior is so different," says team member and computational biologist Janet Kelso of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. "This will allow us to look for the genetic basis of what makes modern humans different from both bonobos and chimpanzees."

Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living relatives. But there are actually two species of apes that are this closely related to humans: bonobos (Pan paniscus) and the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). This has prompted researchers to speculate whether the ancestor of humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos looked and acted more like a bonobo, a chimpanzee, or something else—and how all three species have evolved differently since the ancestor of humans split with the common ancestor of bonobos and chimps between 4 million and 7 million years ago in Africa.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 07:45 am
quahog says:
Quote:
Nope, it is no nonsense.
What I mean is that people who believe the evolution nonsense. see all kind of evidence, even were there is none.
It a perception deception.
There are no 'hard cold facts' if you scrutinize up close.
The Emperor has no clothes.
He really, really, really is very very naked. But you can't see that because
of your deeply ingrained belief that the Emperor has clothes.
The rest is up to you.


This is nonsense too. No facts, just rant. And denial of the facts from the people who have actually done the research, and looked at the source DNA, which quahog has not.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 08:09 am
@MontereyJack,
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This is nonsense too. No facts, just rant. And denial of the facts from the people who have actually done the research, and looked at the source DNA, which quahog has not.


exactly! NO FACTS (for evolution), thank you.

btw always extremely funny to see someone to edit some data he doesn't want to see in his world view.

I always enjouy watching that.

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