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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2015 10:31 pm
@revelette2,
Yes. And that had been done illegally.


revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 06:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Do you think if some in your government tried to pass laws which would make some of it legal, it would pass?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 01:46 pm
@revelette2,
Would be very hard to pass parliament, momentarily impossible. (At least with this parliament and this government.)
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Do you think your (I forget the official name) surveillance system will stop doing those spying activities which are/were illegal now that they have been caught out and it seem a majority of your citizens and government do not approve nor condone it?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:35 pm
@revelette2,
Officially: yes. De facto: no (at least, they'll continue trying to do it).
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If they do not "yes" you to death...and then go on doing it...

...they simply are not doing their job to keep you folk safe as possible.

Every spy agency in the free world is being tested right now. Either they do what people like you (and the people who support your position here in A2K) want them to do...or they do what they realize has to be done.

My guess: The are professional enough to take the heat...and keep on doing what they know has to be done...and take all the crap (rather than thanks) that accrues.

That's my guess.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2015 04:41 pm
As i have been saying for months, the NSA is also used for industrial espionage.

Quote:
New WikiLeaks Documents Allege ‘Economic Espionage’ Against France By US and Allies
By Justin Ling
June 29, 2015 | 7:20 pm

Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom and New Zealand stood to be big beneficiaries of America's alleged economic snooping on France, according to the newest raft of WikiLeaks documents.

The leaked documents reveal long-standing intelligence reports prepared by the National Security Agency (NSA) that chronicle strengths and weaknesses of France's economy and act as open invitations to intercept sensitive intelligence from French ministerial phone lines, WikiLeaks claims.

The intelligence reports are the second part of a document dump that has already hurt the relationship between Washington and Paris and prompted the American president to apologize to his French counterpart last week.

"The president reiterated that we have abided by the commitment we made to our French counterparts in late 2013 that we are not targeting and will not target the communications of the French president," according to a read-out of a phone conversation between the two leaders from last week.

Monday's documents — one entitled: "France: Economic Developments" and the other "Foreign Contracts/Feasibility Studies/Negotiations" — show that the American spy agency was actively collecting information on French trade practices, tendering requirements, and international development plans along with its Five Eye partners (Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom and New Zealand), then putting it together in reports that would be shared inside the secretive intelligence alliance.

WikiLeaks says these orders to intercept, which VICE News cannot independently verify, were issued inside the NSA for information collection on French economic and trade policy, and to help domestic companies get a leg-up on the competition.

"The United States has been conducting economic espionage against France for more than a decade," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said in a statement. "The United States not only uses the results of this spying itself, but swaps these intercepts with the United Kingdom. Do French citizens deserve to know that their country is being taken to the cleaners by the spies of supposedly allied countries? Mais oui!"

Some of the reports were marked "U/FOUO" (unclassified, for official use only) and imply that they were intended to stay inside the American intelligence community, while others were "S/REL TO USA, AUS, CAN, GBR, NZL," (secret, but releasable to the members of the Five Eyes partnership.)

More:
https://news.vice.com/article/new-wikileaks-documents-allege-economic-espionage-against-france-by-us-and-allies
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2015 05:51 pm
There are some who might say that spying on how the French attain great economic success, makes as much sense as spying on how the French attain great military victories.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2015 11:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, that is hitting below the belt.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 03:46 am
@RABEL222,
America has taken all sorts of low blows from many here. Just thought I'd give it a shot in the other direction...just to see what the kick is all about.

It was fun.

Maybe they are on to something.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 05:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
And who said the NSA made sense?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 05:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
America is full of ****. Edit: yet in this case it's not just about America. The sense of betrayal runs deeper since the info was shared with a EU member, the UK.

Free trade, anyone?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 05:51 am
French minister: It's possible asylum will be offered to Snowden, Assange
By Dana Ford, CNN
Updated 3:00 PM ET, Thu June 25, 2015

(CNN)French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira said Thursday she "wouldn't be surprised" if France decided to offer asylum to Edward Snowden and Julian Assange.

Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has been holed up in London's Ecuadorian Embassy for more than two years to avoid extradition to Sweden, where prosecutors want to question him about 2010 allegations that he raped one woman and sexually molested another.

Snowden, a former U.S. government contractor, has remained in Russia since exposing widespread federal surveillance programs.

"If France decides to offer asylum to Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, I wouldn't be surprised. It's a possibility," Taubira told CNN affiliate BFMTV.

She stressed it wasn't her decision, but that of the French Prime Minister and President.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 12:54 pm
@Olivier5,
From a wikileaks Press Release
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The United States National Security Agency has been massively targeting phone numbers of top German ministers and public officials responsible for commerce, finances, economics and agriculture – including even Angela Merkel's personal assistant. WikiLeaks publishes today, 1 July 2015, a list of 69 German government telephone numbers from a high-priority NSA target interception list demonstrating economic and political espionage against Germany for almost two decades. WikiLeaks is also publishing classified interception reports resulting from the surveillance, showing the US and UK spying on German officials discussing their positions and disagreements on the solution to the Greek financial crisis. ...

One intercept report is based on private communication between Chancellor Angela Merkel and her personal assistant. The other is based on a British intelligence interception of the communications of German Chancellery Director-General for EU Affairs Nikolaus Meyer-Landrut. ... ... ...

A separate report published today by WikiLeaks, based on communications intercepts made by British intelligence (GCHQ) and shared with the NSA, details the German government's position ahead of negotiations on a EU bailout plan for Greece. The report refers to an overview prepared by German Chancellery Director-General for EU Affairs Nikolaus Meyer-Landrut. Germany was, according to the intercept, opposed to giving a banking licence to the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), however it would support a special IMF fund into which the BRICS nations would contribute to bolster European bailout activities. The report also cites Meyer-Landrut's belief that a resolution to the Greek crisis would require greater private-sector involvement. He believed a full-term team would have to be placed in Athens to monitor the situation. ... ... ...

Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
All this should make for a nice WTO complain, and hopefully a few bilions in reparation. As for the UK, let's hope they vote to go out of the EU, thus providing them some dignified exit froma Union they never believed in.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2015 06:07 am
@Olivier5,
Media are even today still focussing on the spying on Merkel et. a.l. in Germany.
But yesterday, some more Snowden documents were published, about NSA’s Super-Google for private communications: XKEYSCORE (The Guardian report noted that NSA itself refers to the program as its "widest reaching" system.)

Spiegel and Guardian had reported about this program already months ago: now 48 top-secret and other classified documents about XKEYSCORE dated up to 2013 have been published, one of the largest releases yet of documents provided by Snowden.

At the push of a button the NSA is connected to (nearly) every computer worldwide ...
http://i62.tinypic.com/29ql768.jpg


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2015 07:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Chancellor Merkel's chief of staff, Federal Minister for Special Affairs Peter Altmaier, has asked the U.S. ambassador in Berlin for a meeting over allegations that U.S. spies bugged senior government ministers and leading civil servants in several Federal ministries, a German government source told Reuters on Thursday. (Confirmed by a spokesperson.)

The Federal Attorney General of Germany has re-opened the investigative procedure.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2015 07:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm waiting to get informed why all the 12 phone numbers of the Federal Agriculture Ministry published until now (out of 72 all together), ...

http://i60.tinypic.com/143p43n.jpg

...where NSA listened, are a "TOPI" (Target Office of Primary Interest).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2015 07:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Obama administration spied on German media as well as its government
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An investigation by the German parliament is publicly raising questions as to whether the Obama administration not only spied on journalists in that country but interfered in the exercise of the free press under the guise of U.S. national security.
[...]
Less observed: that this week came news that the NSA was eavesdropping not only on Merkel, but in some capacity on Germany's free press as well, namely DER SPIEGEL.
[...]
The incident raises many questions. That the U.S. government thought it appropriate to spy on journalists doing their jobs is controversial enough. But why would it be appropriate for U.S. officials to use these tools -- given to save lives and protect U.S. national security -- to notify the German government about officials talking to reporters in the normal exercise of a free press?

Asked about the matter, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Ned Price did not deny the facts obtained by CNN, saying on the record only that "people around the world -- regardless of their nationality -- should know that the United States is not spying on ordinary people who don't threaten our national security. We also have made clear that we take their privacy concerns into account."

Price would not discuss the specific matter of the Obama administration spying on DER SPIEGEL and then telling Merkel's government about an official cooperating with the press.

"While we are not going to discuss specific targets, we have repeatedly made clear that the United States does not collect intelligence for the purpose of suppressing or burdening criticism or dissent, or for disadvantaging persons based on their ethnicity, race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion," Price said. "Signals intelligence is collected exclusively where there is a foreign intelligence or counterintelligence purpose to support these missions and not for any other purposes."

"It feels bitter to learn, that American intelligence agencies spied on reporters in another country and denounced alleged sources to the government," said one reporter involved, who asked not to be identified for fear of repercussions from his government or the US government. "This is something I expected to happen in authoritarian states like Russia or China but not in a democracy."
... ... ...
Not surprisingly this German journalist is more focused on the fact that "the German Chancellery is complicit in it." The incident raises questions about what exactly the German Chancellery knew and when it knew it -- specifically that officials were notified by the CIA station chief in 2011, two years before the revelation that the NSA was spying on Merkel's cell phone -- that the U.S. was conducting surveillance that touched on both German journalists and the German government.
... ... ...
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2015 08:04 am
Hollande, wake up already. They are screwing you and the rest of us.

Quote:
France rejects asylum request from WikiLeaks' Assange
Associated Press

PARIS (AP) — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has failed in a bid to win asylum in France.

Assange wrote a letter to French President Francois Hollande published in Le Monde on Friday, appealing to France's history as a beacon for the repressed. He noted that WikiLeaks recently revealed that the U.S. National Security Agency spied on Hollande and his two predecessors.

Hollande quickly said "no" to the request. In a statement, his office noted that Assange is under a European arrest warrant and his life is not in imminent danger.

The exchange came after prominent French voices, including soccer legend Eric Cantona and economist Thomas Piketty, appealed for France to grant Assange haven.

Assange is living in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London to avoid extradition to Sweden for questioning about alleged sexual assaults.
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