Snowdon is a dummy

@Walter Hinteler,

Well, they have to make a show of it. I honestly don't think much is going to be done, we got other things on our minds right now.

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@revelette2,

Sorry. I thought my post was related to this thread. My bad.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Oh, it is, it's really my bad. I guess I shouldn't post here anymore.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
I still use US cloud storage but I would never never place any important and private information that is not encrypted first with 256 AES before leaving my also encrypted computers.

I don't use cloud storage (still on dialup, though hopefully not for much longer). But I've been dubious of the concept from the start.

But not because of fears about the government. If I did use cloud storage, I'm sure if the government ever suspected me of anything and got a warrant to look at my data, they would quickly determine that their suspicions were groundless and be on their way.

My reasons for being dubious of cloud storage is rather fear of ordinary hackers tampering with my data. Or the possibility that some sort of silly goof up would erase all my data.

Speaking of "ordinary hackers and the cloud," I understand that a number of Hollywood actresses are wishing today that they had been as wise as I am.

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Very interesting piece on Ed Snowden’s history and motivations in the September issue of WIRED. The paper includes a few scoops, such as on how the US disabled a server in Syria by trying to hack it.

http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cover2.png

THE MOST WANTED MAN IN THE WORLD
James Bamford
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/

[…] Among the discoveries that most shocked him was learning that the agency was regularly passing raw private communications—content as well as metadata—to Israeli intelligence. Usually information like this would be “minimized,” a process where names and personally identifiable data are removed. But in this case, the NSA did virtually nothing to protect even the communications of people in the US. This included the emails and phone calls of millions of Arab and Palestinian Americans whose relatives in Israel-occupied Palestine could become targets based on the communications. “I think that’s amazing,” Snowden says. “It’s one of the biggest abuses we’ve seen.” (The operation was reported last year by The Guardian, which cited the Snowden documents as its source.)

Another troubling discovery was a document from NSA director Keith Alexander that showed the NSA was spying on the pornography-viewing habits of political radicals. The memo suggested that the agency could use these “personal vulnerabilities” to destroy the reputations of government critics who were not in fact accused of plotting terrorism. The document then went on to list six people as future potential targets. (Greenwald published a redacted version of the document last year on the Huffington Post.)

Snowden was astonished by the memo. “It’s much like how the FBI tried to use Martin Luther King’s infidelity to talk him into killing himself,” he says. “We said those kinds of things were inappropriate back in the ’60s. Why are we doing that now? Why are we getting involved in this again?” [...]

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@Olivier5,

Anything for a headline, huh? What is he going to do when he finally runs out of material to expose?

I don't like the fact that we help Israel, but I also don't like the way Snowden is revealing all the stuff for people like yourself who have it in for the US anyway.

The flag is a bit over the top as well as being cheesy.

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@revelette2,

You wrote (to which I had a good laugh),

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The flag is a bit over the top as well as being cheesy.

I see Americans wearing flag pins, clothes and hats at many events. Why does Snowden's show of the flag 'cheesy?' I also remember seeing many Americans burning the flag.

I sometimes wear the Canadian pin on my hat or clothes - as an 'honorary Candadian.' People I've met from Canada, and a couple of the Tour Directors I've had during my Canadian vacation gave them to me. I also have several Canadian t-shirts that I wear regularly.

Cheesy? Okay, but who cares.

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I don't like the fact that we help Israel, but I also don't like the way Snowden is revealing all the stuff for people like yourself who have it in for the US anyway.

I really do not get this nationalist fervor thing. If Canada gets up to acts that are illegal, unconstitutional, in violation of agreed upon international codes, I want everyone to know of it. I don't give a damn if someone speaks negatively about Canada. I give a damn about the truth.

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@blatham,

I don't know about all the things which have been revealed, some of them might be against international law, if it is, we ain't the only ones as have recent events showed us. (Germany/Turkey/Albania, US secretary of States) But concerning the data collecting, its not illegal nor as of yet been ruled unconstitutional.

However, it is the way he did it. He took so much information and just took it upon himself to give it newspapers who in turn basically used it against us, other countries have been having a field day since it has been "exposed." Most of all, he made our country less secure because it exposed our methods of how we tracked terrorist and now they know them and have went around them.

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@revelette2,

I concur with almost nothing you've just said.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Cheesy? Okay, but who cares.

I do. A man who has done more damage to the U S of A's reputation since Nixon is covering himself in the American flag. It is so hypocritical that it makes me sick. And all you suckers are declaring him a hero. Like Liberche he is laughing all the way to the bank.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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I don't like the fact that we help Israel, but I also don't like the way Snowden is revealing all the stuff for people like yourself who have it in for the US anyway.

I really do not get this nationalist fervor thing. If Canada gets up to acts that are illegal, unconstitutional, in violation of agreed upon international codes, I want everyone to know of it. I don't give a damn if someone speaks negatively about Canada. I give a damn about the truth.

Spoken like a true professional liberal.

Perhaps that is why the very word "liberal" is used almost not at all in this country.

Conservatives regularly brag about how conservative they are...and in competitive inter-party races, fight with each other to proclaim themselves to be more conservative than their opponent.

When is the last time anyone in this country heard a politician "brag" about how liberal he/she is...or duke it out with an inter-party opponent by proclaiming, "I am more liberal than my opponent."

My guess: None of you ever have...and none of you ever will.

So...speak like a professional liberal if you choose, Bernie. But it is that kind of thing that is dragging progressive initiatives down into the sewer of irrelevancy.

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@revelette2,

I, on the other hand, concur with damn near everything you said, Revelette.

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@RABEL222,

You claimed,

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A man who has done more damage to the U S of A's reputation since Nixon is covering himself in the American flag.

Okay, show me proof of this 'damage?'

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I do. A man who has done more damage to the U S of A's reputation since Nixon is covering himself in the American flag.

Speaking as someone from outside the USA, I don't think Snowden has done much to damage America's reputation at all. He just confirmed what a lot of us suspected.

Dubya had already dragged America's, (and Britain's,) reputation through the mud. What's a little espionage compared to illegally invading another country, extraordinary rendition, torture, extrajudicial killing and detention without trial in Guantanamo Bay?

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@izzythepush,

Some people don't remember history, and build mountains from imaginary crisis that really doesn't exist. The real crisis for today are front page news; ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and Russia's aggression against a sovereign nation.

I'm sure Snowden's revelations have stopped all manners of intelligence against our enemies. Even some congress members called NSA's mass data collection as illegal. Of coarse, those members of congress are on the side of our enemies.

From Bloomberg.

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NSA’s Spying on Phone Calls Illegal: U.S. Privacy Board
By Margaret Talev and Chris Strohm Jan 23, 2014 12:36 PM PT 318

Panel Urges End to NSA's Bulk Phone Data Collection
A divided U.S. privacy-policy board concluded the National Security Agency’s collection of bulk telephone data is illegal and should be stopped, giving fresh support for opponents of the government’s surveillance programs.

The five-member Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, created by Congress under post-Sept. 11 anti-terrorism laws, said in a 238-page report that the program to collect and store the records has provided only “minimal” help to the U.S. in thwarting terrorist attacks.

“I do not think we should just accept bulk collection as a given,” Jim Dempsey, speaking for the panel’s majority, said today at a meeting where the report was adopted. “We have to go back to the fundamental question: should we be collecting bulk data and under what standards?”

The board’s conclusions present a challenge for President Barack Obama, who is being pressed by phone and Internet companies, foreign governments, civil libertarians and some members of Congress to restructure the NSA’s surveillance activities following disclosure of the programs by former government contractor Edward Snowden.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Why does Snowden's show of the flag 'cheesy?'

Because as an individual Revelette is describing what she personally observes in the picture and has simply given her distinctive opinion.

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I also remember seeing many Americans burning the flag.

I have seen this act of "burning the American flag" in a video but never in person.

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I sometimes wear the Canadian pin on my hat or clothes - as an 'honorary Candadian.' People I've met from Canada, and a couple of the Tour Directors I've had during my Canadian vacation gave them to me. I also have several Canadian t-shirts that I wear regularly.

Thank you for sharing with us that you have an "Honorary Canadian" pin. CI, I personally cannot see that Revellette particularly care where you wear your Canadian pin as an "honorary Canadian." This is not what her response was about. I think it's wonderful you are an Honorary Canadian, and as much as you travel, it would not surprise me if you have many more such honors as you seem to be a people person.

Revelette is entitled to post her opinion and we should respect that instead of criticizing her.

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@Moment-in-Time,

At least you did't take the bait that I hate America. LOL

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@RABEL222,

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I do. A man who has done more damage to the U S of A's reputation since Nixon is covering himself in the American flag. It is so hypocritical that it makes me sick. And all you suckers are declaring him a hero. Like Liberche he is laughing all the way to the bank.

I applaud you, Rabel, for your very impressive response. Some of us wear our patriotism for our country more on our sleeve than others. We all know the US has myriad faults, but it's our country...our home, and we love her despite this. Never discard your loyalty for your country by forcefully ripping her apart on a message board or anywhere else, but particularly do not do so for the pure pleasure of those from other countries who are delighted with the recent tarnishing of the US image.

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@cicerone imposter,

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At least you did't take the bait that I hate America. LOL

Oh no, I do not believe you hate your country of birth. My post was against your criticizing Revellette's message regarding the pic of Snowden wrapping himself in the flag and called it "cheesy."....I am with Revelle, 100%. Please don't get confused, CI, as I don't pounce on people for criticizing America's myriad fault, but the manner in which such is delivered. When you bash the president of our country, say you are not going to vote again, and scornfully malign America while some from another country are giving you kudos for your courage to openly condemn America, I take umbrage.

I am grateful you've modified your hysterical delivery against the US. I'm delighted you understand my position.

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