The Bible (a discussion)

@Wilso,

Lower-middle-class prudery Wilso. Veils. Misogyny in fact.

You are at risk of becoming an aged satyr you know. You really need an orgy of decadence to get it out of your system. Your experience must be too pretty and clinical for disgust, fear and shame to ever appear. Perhaps you have read too much of Enid Blyton.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Do what you got to do, gnat.

I musta scored big with that "gnat" comment for you to borrow it so quickly. Wink

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Do what you got to do, gnat.

Interesting phrasing for a supposed "Frenchman."

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Romeo said: Jesus said "Love one another" etc...
Cicerone said: That verse doesn't make up for all the other actions of god that killed innocent men, women and children. One doesn't justify the other.
A jealous god is a dangerous one! He lacks the compassion of humanity. You know, power corrupts completely.

What "innocents" did God kill?
They must have miffed him in some way (for example heathen idol-worshipping warmongering tribes) so they deserved getting their asses busted, God's not some soppy lefty social worker..

What about all the "first born" of Egypt.

At least some of them must have been innocent babies.

Every wonder why your god spared Pharaoh (who almost certainly was a first born) during that massacre?

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@spendius,

Enid Blyton is my favorite British writer. I've read all her books... :-)

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@Wilso,

Wilso wrote:

For ****'s sake. Here. Do something about that bug up your arse you ******* loser.
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Didn't forget you Romeo.

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Please don't advertise your services here, Wilso.

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@Frank Apisa,

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What about all the "first born" of Egypt.

What about them? It's only a guess than a god had anything to do with it. And an incorrect one.

How does one refuse to guess whether God exists or not and then be so eager to guess God does exist in order to impute responsibility to God?

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Cicerone said:@RF- Did you ever hear about the world flood? Probably not, since you're a religious wanna be.

1- For 'Flood', think "culled out of the human gene pool" mate, God's not some mush-brained lefty social worker! Nasty people and vicious animals had to go! For example T.Rex was a nasty customer by all accounts, so thank God they're not still prowling around..

"Sorry kiddo, you're on the way out"

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/jes-dino.jpg

Genesis 6: 5 "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. .“I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord"

2- I don't wannabe a religious wannabe, I just wannabe Jesus's mate.. Smile

"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jesus-friends.gif

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@neologist,

Here, neo.

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History of Indigenous Australians
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the history of Aboriginal Australians. For the academic journal, see Aboriginal History.

The history of Aboriginal Australians is thought to have spanned 40,000 to 45,000 years, although some estimates have put the figure at up to 80,000 years before European settlement. The Aboriginal Australians lived with a strong dependence on the land, and also the water. Each group developed skills for the area in which they would live - hunting or fishing or gathering.

The path of Australian Aboriginal history changed radically after the 18th- and 19th-century settlement of the British: Indigenous people were displaced from their ways of life, were forced to submit to European rule, and were later encouraged to assimilate into Western culture. Since the 1960s, reconciliation has been the pursuit of European Australian–Aboriginal Australian relations.

You're trying to tell us the Aborignies of Australia spoke the same language as Noah? LOL Come on, neo, you're much smarter than that!

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@cicerone imposter,

The story of the flood and of the arch was borrowed by Jewish scribes from a much older Sumerian myth. Sumer was the first civilization in in the "cradle of civilization", Mesopotamia. Which means : "between the rivers" Tigris and Euphrates. Mesopotamia is basically a flood plain. The bottom of that plain, near Basra, is composed of marshes. IOW it is still "flooded".
It's not hard to imagine a massive flood event in Mesopotamia that would be recorded in Sumerian myths, which would then be picked up thousands of years later by the Jews, while on exile in Babylon.

From Wikipedia

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Ziusudra

Ziusudra (also Zi-ud-sura and Zin-Suddu; Hellenized Xisuthros: "found long life" or "life of long days") of Shuruppak is listed in the WB-62 Sumerian king list recension as the last king of Sumer prior to the deluge. He is subsequently recorded as the hero of the Sumerian flood epic. He is also mentioned in other ancient literature, including The Death of Gilgamesh[1] and The Poem of Early Rulers,[2] and a late version of The Instructions of Shuruppak[3] refers to Ziusudra.[4] Akkadian Atrahasis ("extremely wise") and Utnapishtim ("he found life"), as well as biblical Noah ("rest") are similar heroes of flood legends of the ancient Near East.

Although each version of the flood myth has distinctive story elements, there are numerous story elements that are common to two, three, or four versions. The earliest version of the flood myth is preserved fragmentarily in the Eridu Genesis, written in Sumerian cuneiform and dating to the 17th century BC, during the 1st Dynasty of Babylon when the language of writing and administration was still Sumerian. Strong parallels are notable with other Near Eastern flood legends, such as the biblical account of Noah.

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@Olivier5,

Yet considering the hundreds of such stories and the gravity of the event the most logical view is to ascribe BOTH to a common source.

The only question to a Jew would be, Yes there was a Flood but what is the facts and correct interpretation of that event ? Some corruption of the history obviously occurred in many handed-down versions.

But to say 'borrowed' is without plausibility.

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@spendius,

THe first born were killed, there is no need to make up excuses. But don't equate that to 'they were sent to Hell'. No, that is evil.

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@AugustineBrother,

A world flood was only an assumption when people didn't understand this planet and its geography.
Mt Everest is over 29,000 feet. A flood covered the whole earth?

So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!" (Gen. 6:13, NLT)

“Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die." (Gen. 6:17, NLT)

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@cicerone imposter,

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend and accept? If the entire planet was once covered with ice- and this includes the mountains, well then, having it submerged under water of the non-frozen variety is equally possible.

Then again you're one of those who relies on Wikipedia as a factual source, so, I suppose if they say it can't be then you are obliged to believe it.

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@Sturgis,

No. I believe Wiki when no other factual source is provided. I trust science more than hearsay.
Ice MAY HAVE once covered the earth.

Harvard gazette:
.. Once ice and snow covered much of the land and ocean, a process called the ..

"Much" isn't all.

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@cicerone imposter,

There are some scientist that surmise that the current height of various mountain ranges today is not what they were many thousands of years ago. The account of the flood as presented in the Bible makes it clear that huge amounts of water fell to the earth creating tremendous downward pressure which resulted in earth displacement, causing some surrounding areas to rise while others sank.

Even today we have examples of this happening where no water has fallen in the amounts presented in the Bible. The Sierra Nevada range in the US grows about half an inch in elevation every 10 years, according to scientists. Researchers at the University of Nevada's geodetic laboratory in Reno and the University of Glasgow in the UK say they have recorded annual elevation increases between 1mm and 2mm for more than 10 years along the entire 400-mile range between Nevada and California.

So looking at the Bible account of the flood from a scientific standpoint and considering that it covered the tallest mountains, makes it completely plausible that the flood account of the Bible really happened.

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@anthony1312002,

anthony1312002 wrote:

There are some scientist that surmise that the current height of various mountain ranges today is not what they were many thousands of years ago. The account of the flood as presented in the Bible makes it clear that huge amounts of water fell to the earth creating tremendous downward pressure which resulted in earth displacement, causing some surrounding areas to rise while others sank.

Name one scientist who has said that mountain ranges are the result of a Biblical flood, not tectonic plates mashing up against each other.

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@izzythepush,

Please understand me. I'm not ruling out that the movement of the tectonic plates does not result in the rise and fall of mountains. I simply presented a credible possibility that the Bible account is true.

Please don't see this as me trying to disprove anything science has presented. But at the same time, showing that what the Bible teaches may also be plausible is also reasonably acceptable.

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@anthony1312002,

You made a claim about scientists backing the flood. I asked you to name one, that's all you have to do. Or you could just admit you were talking nonsense.

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@izzythepush,

Sorry, not here to debate.

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@anthony1312002,

Just to make unsubstantiated claims. So everything you post should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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