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Are both the words "invest" and "petite" a misuse?

 
 
Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 11:58 am
Should they be "investigate" and "petition"?

Context:
Invest and deport Jasmine Sun who was the main suspect of a famous Thallium poison murder case (victim:Zhu Lin) in China
In 1995, Zhu Ling as a Tsinghua university student was found out to be purposely poisoned twice by lethal chemical: Thallium, which leads to her permanent paralysis. It was indicated that Sun, her roommate, had the motive, and access to the deadly chemical. Jasmine Sun was investigated by police as suspect in 1997. But resources show that the case was mystically closed due to her family's powerful political connections. Resources also show that she changed her name and entered USA by marriage fraud.

To protect the safety of our citizens, we petite that the government investigate and deport her.

More:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/invest-and-deport-jasmine-sun-who-was-main-suspect-famous-thallium-poison-murder-case-victimzhu-lin/Rd8C54p1
 
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 12:06 pm
@oristarA,
So it would appear, Ori
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 12:45 pm
Anyone can create a petition on that web site, even illiterates.
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 05:57 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

Anyone can create a petition on that web site, even illiterates.



Well, regardless the mistakes, does the context sound natural in English?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 07:23 pm
@oristarA,
Investigate and deport Jasmine Sun who was the main suspect of a famous Thallium poison murder case in China

In 1995, Zhu Ling, a Tsinghua university student, was found out to have been poisoned twice by the lethal chemical Thallium, which lead to her permanent paralysis.

It has been suggested that Sun, her roommate, had the motive, and access to the poisonous chemical. Jasmine Sun was investigated by police as a suspect in 1997. Our research has revealed that the case was mysteriously closed, perhaps due to her family's political connections. There is also evidence that she changed her name and entered the USA by marriage fraud.

To protect the safety of our citizens, we petition that the government investigate and deport her.



(what government is supposed to deport her? the American government?)
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 07:58 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Investigate and deport Jasmine Sun who was the main suspect of a famous Thallium poison murder case in China

In 1995, Zhu Ling, a Tsinghua university student, was found out to have been poisoned twice by the lethal chemical Thallium, which lead to her permanent paralysis.

It has been suggested that Sun, her roommate, had the motive, and access to the poisonous chemical. Jasmine Sun was investigated by police as a suspect in 1997. Our research has revealed that the case was mysteriously closed, perhaps due to her family's political connections. There is also evidence that she changed her name and entered the USA by marriage fraud.

To protect the safety of our citizens, we petition that the government investigate and deport her.


(what government is supposed to deport her? the American government?)


Yes American government. The roaring voice of Chinese people against Jasmine Sun may demage the democratic image of USA if American government fails to respond properly.

Thanks for your editing.
BTW, "which leads to" not yours "which lead to."
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2013 08:02 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
BTW, "which leads to" not yours "which lead to."


she was paralyzed

she is not in the process of being paralyzed




... I should have typed ... which led to
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2013 02:25 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Yes American government. The roaring voice of Chinese people against Jasmine Sun may demage the democratic image of USA if American government fails to respond properly.


Unfortunately the 'roaring voice of Chinese people' may not make it across the Pacific, many, if not most, Americans will be unaware of the existence of Jasmine Sun.

Guantanamo Bay continues to inflict the most damage on America's democratic image.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 08:15 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
The roaring voice of Chinese people against Jasmine Sun may demage the democratic image of USA if American government fails to respond properly.


The US propaganda system is virtually immune to anything from outside its borders, Ori. Inside its borders it's even worse. Given that its 300+ million sheeple have been bathed in a lifetime of propaganda, it's even more immune to change.
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 08:26 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
The roaring voice of Chinese people against Jasmine Sun may demage the democratic image of USA if American government fails to respond properly.


The US propaganda system is virtually immune to anything from outside its borders, Ori. Inside its borders it's even worse. Given that its 300+ million sheeple have been bathed in a lifetime of propaganda, it's even more immune to change.


Well, America is a shabby hut in your eye. But taken google, youtube, twitter and facebook as examples, USA allows them, while China bans them. So China is a hell? And North Korea, where internet is completely banned for common people, is the inferno of all infernos?

Comparison is a good tool to know the truth when things are too complicated.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 09:43 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
But taken google, youtube, twitter and facebook as examples, USA allows them, while China bans them.


Of course they are, Ori. It's all part of the illusion that there is some truth there. The most effective propaganda is the one that the US has developed over the years since its inception. Why do you think that the American people are so ignorant of their own history?

Quote:
So China is a hell? And North Korea, where internet is completely banned for common people, is the inferno of all infernos?


Quite obviously the war crimes and the terrorism of the US has nothing to do with whether the internet is allowed or not. Do you think that these century long atrocities that the US has committed are untrue?
oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2013 06:50 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
But taken google, youtube, twitter and facebook as examples, USA allows them, while China bans them.


Of course they are, Ori. It's all part of the illusion that there is some truth there. The most effective propaganda is the one that the US has developed over the years since its inception. Why do you think that the American people are so ignorant of their own history?


I believe American people are among the most enlightened in the world.
Please pay attention to the truth: google, youtube, twitter and facebook are all NEUTRAL tools. US can use them as the means of propaganda, and the people like you, JTT, can use them as the means of anti-propaganda; while in North Korea or China, sir, you are depleted the right to use them to do whatsoever. That is why US, despite all its drawbacks, is in fact favorable for you, sir.

JTT wrote:

Quote:
So China is a hell? And North Korea, where internet is completely banned for common people, is the inferno of all infernos?


Quite obviously the war crimes and the terrorism of the US has nothing to do with whether the internet is allowed or not. Do you think that these century long atrocities that the US has committed are untrue?


Give me an example in the reality that has a better polical system than US, sir.
It seems that all non-US countries have committed far more atrocities.
The life is full of weeping, sir, but hopes are always there.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2013 12:59 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
I believe American people are among the most enlightened in the world.


That is false. Americans are the most self absorbed people in the world. This has led them to be woefully ignorant of the world around them and even more ignorant about the war crimes and terrorism that their governments have committed.


Quote:
Please pay attention to the truth: google, youtube, twitter and facebook are all NEUTRAL tools. US can use them as the means of propaganda, and the people like you, JTT, can use them as the means of anti-propaganda; while in North Korea or China, sir, you are depleted the right to use them to do whatsoever. That is why US, despite all its drawbacks, is in fact favorable for you, sir.


All this has nothing at all to do with the fact that the US, despite its propaganda that it is the savior of the oppressed, has never been that, Ori. It has always been the oppressor. It has oppressed people in order to steal their wealth.

That oppression has caused the deaths of millions, the immense sorrow and pain heaped on tens or hundreds of millions. Now remember, this has all happened because of greed.

Here's some truth for you, Ori, and it is not the exception, it is the rule.

Quote:
A "killing field" in the Americas:
US policy in Guatemala



The reality of Guatemala

Guatemala, with 10 million people, is the most populous country in Central America. It is run by an oligarchy of wealthy landowners and big business interests that reap the country's agricultural and commercial rewards at the expense of the rest of the population. The country has been headed by military dictators and figurehead-presidents. Ultimate control belongs to the Army.

Guatemala is a country without social or economic justice, especially for the 6 million indigenous Mayan Indians who make up the majority of the population. There is a marked disparity in income distribution, and poverty is pervasive. On coffee plantations, peasants, descendants of the ancient Maya, live in concentration camp-like conditions, as de facto slaves. 40% of the indigenous people have no access to health care, and 60% have no access to safe drinking water. Education in rural areas is non-existent, with the result that 50% of the people are illiterate. Half of the country's children suffer from malnutrition. Every day in Guatemala, a country in which everything grows, people go hungry.

The real power in Guatemala is in the hands of the Army, and that power has been used to violently control the people, resulting in the worst human rights record in the hemisphere. During more than 30 years of civil war, over 150,000 Guatemalans have been killed or disappeared, tens-of-thousands have been forced to flee to Mexico, 1 million have been displaced inside the country, and more than 440 Indian villages have been destroyed. 75,000 widows and 250,000 orphans have been produced out of the carnage. And, for more than four decades, the United States government has consistently supported the Guatemalan Army and the ruling class in their policies of repression.

...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_Guat.html


Quote:
Give me an example in the reality that has a better polical system than US, sir.


The following are certainly equal, and in my opinion, better for a number of reasons; the UK, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, France, Iceland, Finland, ... .

Quote:
It seems that all non-US countries have committed far more atrocities.


That is wildly inaccurate, Ori.

Quote:
Killing Children Is the All-American Way
by Finian Cunningham / December 22nd, 2012

Madeleine Albright, the American ambassador the United Nations, was asked on nationwide television in 1996 if the death of half a million Iraqi children from US war and sanctions on that country was a price worth paying. Albright replied: “This is a very hard choice, but the price – we think is worth it.

That was before the so-called Second Persian Gulf War that began in 2003 with American air force “shock and awe”, followed by nearly nine years of illegal military occupation – an occupation that included the use of nuclear munitions and white phosphorus on the civilian populations in Fallujah and elsewhere, and involved countless massacres of families and children by US helicopter gunships and troopers.

Since Albright’s infamous admission, the death toll of Iraqi children from American military crimes can be safely assumed to run into multiples of what she candidly thought was a price worth paying more than 16 years ago.

Earlier this week when President Barack Obama was offering condolences to the families of the 20 children shot dead in an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, he said: “Whatever portion of sadness that can share with you to ease your heavy load, we will gladly bear it. Newtown, you are not alone.”

Indeed, Newtown is not alone. Children are slaughtered every week by Americans all over the world on the watch of Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama and his White House predecessors.

One study by James Lucas in 2007 put the death toll of civilians from American wars and sponsored conflicts in 37 countries since the Second World War at up to 30 million lives. The proportion of that figure corresponding to child deaths is not known but if the casualty rate of Iraq is anything to go by, we can estimate that the number of children killed by American militarism and covert wars since WWII is easily in the order of 20 million – that is, a million times the carnage last week in Connecticut.

The countries where these American-inflicted deaths occurred include: Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Congo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua. They also include Iran during the American-backed Iraq war of 1980-88. Every continent on Earth has felt the American hand of death.

But note the figure of 20 million child deaths from American militarism is bound to be a serious underestimate of the actual total. In the last five years, the world has seen an escalation of child mortality from the carcinogenic legacy of depleted uranium and suspected use of other nuclear weapons in Iraq. The above figures do not include the latest killings from American assassination drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and other suspected war theatres, such as Mali in West Africa. Nor do the figures include overt and covert American military action in Libya last year and currently in Syria – nor the ongoing imposition of crippling sanctions against Iran where an untold number of sick children are dying from lack of medicines due to Washington’s import blockade.

...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/12/killing-children-is-the-all-american-way/
oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2013 11:19 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
I believe American people are among the most enlightened in the world.


That is false. Americans are the most self absorbed people in the world. This has led them to be woefully ignorant of the world around them and even more ignorant about the war crimes and terrorism that their governments have committed.


Are they ignorant? Isn't US president elected by the general public who always sharpen their eyes to select their leader?

Well, let's go further. How do you explain the fact that "President Clinton apologizes for inaction during the 1994 Rwanda genocide"? If US acted to stop the genocide, you may blame US causing civilian casualties in the country. If US didn't, the President has to apologize. Do you have any idea to do better if you govern US, JTT? US does not, after all, have the magical wand that will only destroy the evil force without inflicting any other loss.

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oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2013 11:28 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:


Quote:
Give me an example in the reality that has a better polical system than US, sir.


The following are certainly equal, and in my opinion, better for a number of reasons; the UK, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, France, Iceland, Finland, ... .



Great!
But I have to remind you, JTT, that all these countries, with the exception of France, appear to be the close allies of US.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 12:17 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:


Quote:
Killing Children Is the All-American Way
by Finian Cunningham / December 22nd, 2012

Madeleine Albright, the American ambassador the United Nations, was asked on nationwide television in 1996 if the death of half a million Iraqi children from US war and sanctions on that country was a price worth paying. Albright replied: “This is a very hard choice, but the price – we think is worth it.

That was before the so-called Second Persian Gulf War that began in 2003 with American air force “shock and awe”, followed by nearly nine years of illegal military occupation – an occupation that included the use of nuclear munitions and white phosphorus on the civilian populations in Fallujah and elsewhere, and involved countless massacres of families and children by US helicopter gunships and troopers.

Since Albright’s infamous admission, the death toll of Iraqi children from American military crimes can be safely assumed to run into multiples of what she candidly thought was a price worth paying more than 16 years ago.

Earlier this week when President Barack Obama was offering condolences to the families of the 20 children shot dead in an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, he said: “Whatever portion of sadness that can share with you to ease your heavy load, we will gladly bear it. Newtown, you are not alone.”

Indeed, Newtown is not alone. Children are slaughtered every week by Americans all over the world on the watch of Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama and his White House predecessors.

One study by James Lucas in 2007 put the death toll of civilians from American wars and sponsored conflicts in 37 countries since the Second World War at up to 30 million lives. The proportion of that figure corresponding to child deaths is not known but if the casualty rate of Iraq is anything to go by, we can estimate that the number of children killed by American militarism and covert wars since WWII is easily in the order of 20 million – that is, a million times the carnage last week in Connecticut.

The countries where these American-inflicted deaths occurred include: Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Congo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua. They also include Iran during the American-backed Iraq war of 1980-88. Every continent on Earth has felt the American hand of death.

But note the figure of 20 million child deaths from American militarism is bound to be a serious underestimate of the actual total. In the last five years, the world has seen an escalation of child mortality from the carcinogenic legacy of depleted uranium and suspected use of other nuclear weapons in Iraq. The above figures do not include the latest killings from American assassination drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and other suspected war theatres, such as Mali in West Africa. Nor do the figures include overt and covert American military action in Libya last year and currently in Syria – nor the ongoing imposition of crippling sanctions against Iran where an untold number of sick children are dying from lack of medicines due to Washington’s import blockade.
...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/12/killing-children-is-the-all-american-way/



I googled the source and found that it appears to link to Iran radio, who used to demonize US.
The article says "The countries where these American-inflicted deaths occurred include: Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia..."

Was it not true that Kim Il Sung launched the Korean War? US, authorized by UN decision to intervene to stop the invastion of South Korea? Is it not true that the children of today's North Korea are in starvation, while American children well nourished??





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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 12:31 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:


Here's some truth for you, Ori, and it is not the exception, it is the rule.

Quote:
A "killing field" in the Americas:
US policy in Guatemala


The reality of Guatemala

Guatemala, with 10 million people, is the most populous country in Central America. It is run by an oligarchy of wealthy landowners and big business interests that reap the country's agricultural and commercial rewards at the expense of the rest of the population. The country has been headed by military dictators and figurehead-presidents. Ultimate control belongs to the Army.

Guatemala is a country without social or economic justice, especially for the 6 million indigenous Mayan Indians who make up the majority of the population. There is a marked disparity in income distribution, and poverty is pervasive. On coffee plantations, peasants, descendants of the ancient Maya, live in concentration camp-like conditions, as de facto slaves. 40% of the indigenous people have no access to health care, and 60% have no access to safe drinking water. Education in rural areas is non-existent, with the result that 50% of the people are illiterate. Half of the country's children suffer from malnutrition. Every day in Guatemala, a country in which everything grows, people go hungry.

The real power in Guatemala is in the hands of the Army, and that power has been used to violently control the people, resulting in the worst human rights record in the hemisphere. During more than 30 years of civil war, over 150,000 Guatemalans have been killed or disappeared, tens-of-thousands have been forced to flee to Mexico, 1 million have been displaced inside the country, and more than 440 Indian villages have been destroyed. 75,000 widows and 250,000 orphans have been produced out of the carnage. And, for more than four decades, the United States government has consistently supported the Guatemalan Army and the ruling class in their policies of repression.
...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_Guat.html



The United States government has consistently supported the governments of Japan and Taiwan as well, both of which are prosperous and their citizens are welcomed by the rest of the world, while mainland China, who obstinately opposes US, remains a totalitarian state and its citizens are far less visa-free.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 07:09 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
The United States government has consistently supported the governments of Japan and Taiwan as well, both of which are prosperous and their citizens are welcomed by the rest of the world, while mainland China, who obstinately opposes US, remains a totalitarian state and its citizens are far less visa-free.


After having participated in the rape and plundering of China for so many years, it's little wonder that China so distrusts the US. But China is not doing so badly. They are set to overtake the US as the largest economy in the world.

The US readily interacts with communist countries. There was no need to bomb them into oblivion, to spread WMDs all over their lands, to poison their lands with chemicals, to cause them all the pain and suffering they did, just because these people wanted to be free to choose their own destiny.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 11:17 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:


After having participated in the rape and plundering of China for so many years, it's little wonder that China so distrusts the US. But China is not doing so badly. They are set to overtake the US as the largest economy in the world.

The US readily interacts with communist countries. There was no need to bomb them into oblivion, to spread WMDs all over their lands, to poison their lands with chemicals, to cause them all the pain and suffering they did, just because these people wanted to be free to choose their own destiny.



Rape and plundering of China? On what ground did you argue in this way, JTT? The evidence?
1) Regarding rape
The only suspicious rape case can be found is Shen Chong case (Peiping rape case):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_Chong_case

But evidence has been continuing to emerge that the rape might be false. For example, ifeng.com reported:
Deciphering Shen Chong Case: "Rape" without Trace of Violence
http://news.ifeng.com/history/zhongguojindaishi/200912/1224_7180_1486072.shtml

Whether it has come to conclusion that the case is false, I am not sure. Someone interested may offer clue.

Another possibility that US troops committed rape in China is during the Eight-Power Expedition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance

In which it is recorded "A U.S. Marine wrote that he saw German and Russian troops bayonet women after raping them." The record might imply us that US troops never commited such crime. Of course, if you have any evidence about this, please show us.

2) Regarding plundering

--To be continued (the connection failure has led to the loss of the written text here)
oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 01:14 am
@oristarA,
2) Regarding plundering

As a member of the Eight Power Expedition, US troops' plundering is recorded in history. The Boxer Protocol is one of the evidence.

But US also helped China:

Quote:
Tsinghua College
Since American Secretary of State John Hay suggested that the US $30 million plus Boxer indemnity paid to the United States was excessive, in 1909, President Roosevelt then obtained congressional approval to reduce the Qing Dynasty indemnity payment by US$10.8 million, on the condition that the said fund was to be used as scholarship for Chinese students to study in the United States. Using this fund, the Tsinghua College (清華學堂; Qīnghuá Xuétáng) was established in Beijing, on 29 April 1911 on the site of a former royal garden belonging to a prince.[5]



US helped China in the War of Resistance Against Japan:

Flying Tigers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers
 

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