Actually the roots of 5th Nov stretch way back before the Gunpowder plot. There was a Pagan tradition after the Autumn Equinox, to light bonfires in order to feed the weakening Sun. This tradition was hijacked by the Government to make it about the Gunpowder plot, in the same way the Christians hijacked the Saturnalia to give us Christmas.
Mon 9 Jul, 2012 07:12 am
I think people love their countries and want to defend them and the way of life they experience there because, as with families, it is what they are most familiar with and most people find familiarity comforting and worth defending and preserving.
We are naturally pack animals. It's in our nature, for survival. It can serve us by providing strength and safety of numbers. It can also provide a vehicle to do great harm, justifiy acts we would never do as individuals. Numerous examples are easily found. Like most things there are two aspects. Benefits and costs.
If there is a moral it's be careful about who you follow.
Usually the group is founded for justifiable reasons; survival, quality of life improvement. Then the power is found and abused. We become the aggressor instead of the defender. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Well yeah- it goes without saying that that certainly can and does happen, but I was just explaining why I wasn't all worried about Gracie expressing her love of her home - I understand it.
I also understand why Irish people love Ireland and why English people love England. I understand why Welsh people love Wales and Scottish people love Scotland.
I wasn't trying to tackle the philosophical and/or clannish motives behind imperialism. And I don't think Gracie was either.
Still listening to Bruce Springsteen. Somewhere on this thread, pages back, Farmerman said he was one of the chroniclers of our age - I agree. Here's one off his new album that says alot about America right now - and no it's not all good - but it celebrates what it has been and could be again someday if we listened to the gospel of Bruce- he's not giving up on it and I think that's what Gracie is saying - neither has she: