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I do not believe gods exist…but I do not believe there are no gods.

Forums: Religion, Word Salad, Logic, Apisa Match, Not Atheism
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 08:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I watched the last day of the Memorial live...and saw the shot at 16. Truly a great shot. If you can have Jack Nichlaus say it was a great shot...it WAS a great shot.

Sorry mate! thought it was 17...I apologize...And yes, I agree, And Jack said, he thought in the circumstances it was the greatest shot ever!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 08:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Actually, a 20 index (actually a 20.4) is a LOT worse than just one extra shot per hole. All the courses I play are par 72. Bogie golf would put me at 90. I have been shooting in the high 90's...very, very high for someone who usually playing in the mid to high 80's. It has been very discouraging...and I have decided to take a week off from golf...have not played since last Thursday. Gotta regroup!

It appears, I do not know enough about golf to comment...If this is how you feel...I hope you do take some days off and regroup...After all, it is supposed to be fun!

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I am rooting for Tiger to make a complete recovery. This win at the Memorial should build his confidence; his built confidence should result in lower scores; his lower scores should result in torneys won.

I wish him the best...he is, in my opinion, golfs best gift at the moment.

He truly is! and Golf is not the same without him there...
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Val Killmore
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:28 pm
I'm scratching my head at this thread still.

Frank APisa wrote:
I have an absence of belief that there are gods...I also have an absence of belief that there are no gods.


Rewrite:

I do not believe there are Gods.
I do not believe there are no Gods.

Rewrite#2:

I do not believe there are Gods.
I do believe there are Gods.

I see your intentions Frank, that you suspend your belief in the existence of God, so an agnostic can not use the word believe or not believe, they can only say I don't know what to believe.

As Failures of Art implied it's is a yes or no when the girl send the note to the boy, and an agnostic analogy on the matter would be something along the line of I don't if I should choose yes or no based on the given knowledge.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2012 04:54 am
@Val Killmore,
Try to conceive of the title this way, Val:

There are people who "believe" gods exist (or that a GOD exists).

I am not one of them.

I do not believe gods exist!

There are other people who "believe" there are no gods.

I am not one of them.

I do not believe there are no gods.

My title is exactly that: I do not believe gods exist...but I do not believe there are no gods.

As I explained within a couple of hours of posting the thread, the reason I wrote the title as I did was to show how the use of the words "belief" and "believe" can distort thinking.

Both of your "re-writes" make the mistake I was trying to illustrate. Both of your re-writes make a false assumption about what is being said. I will discuss this with you at length if you want.
Val Killmore
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2012 01:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Interesting.
I see believe as a verb.

Let's do some substitution, to see if this makes sense.
believe = run
gods exist = fast
there are no gods = not fast

I do not run fast ... but I do not run, not fast.
Re write:
I do not run fast ... but I do run fast

Yup, still not getting it.

I still need you to illustrate what you mean at full length.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2012 02:25 am
@Val Killmore,
Try to conceive of the title this way, Val:

There are people who "believe" gods exist (or that a GOD exists).

I am not one of them.

I do not believe gods exist!

There are other people who "believe" there are no gods.

I am not one of them.

I do not believe there are no gods.

My title is exactly that: I do not believe gods exist...but I do not believe there are no gods.

As I explained within a couple of hours of posting the thread, the reason I wrote the title as I did was to show how the use of the words "belief" and "believe" can distort thinking.

Both of your "re-writes" make the mistake I was trying to illustrate. Both of your re-writes make a false assumption about what is being said. I will discuss this with you at length if you want.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2012 10:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
What happened to Tiger, mate?

He feel apart Friday?
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