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Scott Walker's Reforms Save Wis. Schools

 
 
Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 02:23 pm
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2012/03/13/collective-bargaining-curbs-save-wisconsin-schools-millions

Quote:

The very legislation that nearly provoked riots inside Wisconsin’s capital also saved many school districts from financial ruin or having to fire significant numbers of teachers, concludes a report released this morning from the Education Action Group.

The Wisconsin legislature and Gov. Scott Walker (R) passed Act 10 in early 2011. It sparked a weeks-long, raucous protest in Madison’s streets and the capitol building, as well as a recall against Walker, his lieutenant governor, and four state representatives. The law limits most public-sector collective bargaining to salaries, not benefits, and caps public employee’s annual raises at the rate of inflation.

“Act 10, or at least some form of it, was desperately needed,” the report quotes from Glenn Schilling, superintendent of Hartland-Lakeside schools. “Collective bargaining is outdated. Things that made sense 20 or 30 years ago no longer make sense. But to get things out of the contract and make needed changes was impossible.” ......


Scott Walker is a genuine hero of our age.
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 04:29 pm
@gungasnake,
Of course the third choice, which isn't listed, would be to raise the revenues to pay the teachers what they're worth.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 04:55 pm
@gungasnake,
If the other side insists on bargaining, then just change the rules so they can't bargain and are forced to accept what they are given.

Hmmm.. How... what would be the word? Fascist? Communist? Republican?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 05:13 pm
@gungasnake,
I'm not that familiar with Walker or Act 10 but I do have to wonder about how saved the schools are.

Not closing them is not the same as saving them.

If you end up with a lot of young, inexperienced teachers and a lot of TFA drop ins running the school they haven't been saved at all. We'll have to wait another 12 years or so to see what kind of students the Wisconsin schools are graduating to decide whether the school was saved or merely put on life support.
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Stormwatch
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 06:02 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Of course the third choice, which isn't listed, would be to raise the revenues to pay the teachers what they're worth.


Thank-you!
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 08:26 pm
@gungasnake,
He is a hero that is in quite a fight to keep his own job.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 08:52 pm
@maxdancona,
I hope they cut his retirement by 50% so he has some idea of what he did to others.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 06:45 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I hope they cut his retirement by 50% so he has some idea of what he did to others....


You really believe that ****, don't you?

The teachers and other SEIU members in demanding wages and benefits substantially beyond those of the ordinary people whose taxes pay their salaries, were basically demanding recognition as an aristocratic class. At some point the pepole had enough and you can anticipate them going on saying they've had enough as many times as the asshole pathetic union bosses and demoKKKrat bosses want to drag the thing back in front of the electorate in the form of recall elections.

At some point if you make an asshole out of yourself long enough, people figure it out.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 06:55 am
@gungasnake,
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The teachers and other SEIU members in demanding wages and benefits substantially beyond those of the ordinary people whose taxes pay their salaries,

Wow... you really don't have a clue, do you gunga?

http://www.teacherportal.com/salary/Wisconsin-teacher-salary
OMG, teachers start at $26,000 in Wisconsin. That's so much more than the average Wisconsin household income of almost $52,000.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/55000.html


With your math skills gunga, no wonder you think teachers are overpaid.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 07:15 am
@parados,
I see why Gungasnake doesn't have much respect for teachers (at least math teachers).
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 07:38 am
Not to mention the fact that when you compare teachers to other jobs that demand the same level of education, teachers generally are paid on the order of $10,000 less. Teachers do it for love, not for the money. Hey, if Wisconsin hired high school dropouts to teach their kids, I bet they could pay them minimum wage. Think of all the money they'd save. Why don't you suggest that to Scott Walker, gunga. Idiot.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 08:09 am
Isn't it strange how the extreme right-wing always claims Democrats engage in class warfare arguments, and then themselves use blatant class warfare arguments. How unAmerican of you, gunga.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 08:15 am
Quote:
“Collective bargaining is outdated".


Sure it is. The schoolboard would much rather get each teacher in a room separately and him or her exactly the way things are going to be.
That's the way it used to work in the 1870's which is where the GOP would like to take this country.

What does the GOP have against people who work for a living?

Joe(what?)Nation
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 08:20 am
Joe Nation says:

Quote:
What does the GOP have against people who work for a living?


Hear, hear. Tell it, Joe.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 08:43 am
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
What does the GOP have against people who work for a living?

They vote Democrat.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 11:14 am
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The law limits most public-sector collective bargaining to salaries, not benefits, and caps public employee’s annual raises at the rate of inflation.


I thought Republicans believed in merit pay. Capping salaries at inflation basically means they will never effectively make more than what they make now, no matter how good they are.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2012 12:22 am
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862549/posts
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2012 09:15 am
@gungasnake,
Are you not the guy who screams bloody murder when one of us liberals posts a liberal site in order "prove" our point. This site even boasts about being ultra conservative. Post a middle of the road view of this idea, not propaganda.
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