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IS RUSH A CONSERVATIVE?? WHAT DOES HE CONSERVE?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 11:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Why do you suppose they hate us?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 11:07 pm
@Rockhead,
Thank u, Rocky.

Revolver or automatic ?





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 11:10 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Why do you suppose they hate us?
For the same reason as 1,OOO years ago.
Thay r moven by their religion to conquer the world,
like the nazis & the commies wanted, but we stand in their way.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 11:22 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
nuking the Moslems b4 thay do it to us...

next comes "the only good muslim is a dead muslim", right dave?
That depends on what thay DO.
Not now, not yet do we need to apply that filosofy;
if thay don't run amuk, then we need not apply it,
but we affirmatively NEED to take care of business in Persia.

That is a time-sensitive requirement.





David
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 01:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thomas wrote:
It didn't even make a dent in America's 2001 murder rate.
Not worth giving up ones libertarian principles over.
I don 't have that in my plans.
WHICH libertarian principles do u have in mind???

Limited government, for one. America's military is the largest piece of the federal budget, tied with Social Security. I estimate that about half of this piece goes toward sustaining America's role as the world's policeman. (The rest of the world defends itself on half the percentage of its GDP that America does.) Also consider the added intrusions on civil rights---the PATRIOT act, the president commissioning extra-judicial assassinations of US citizens, and so forth. To those of us who like their government small and their individual liberties expansive, the past 10 years have been dismal.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 01:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Why do you suppose they hate us?
For the same reason as 1,OOO years ago.
Thay r moven by their religion to conquer the world,
like the nazis & the commies wanted, but we stand in their way.

David

Their hatred stems from something much more recent. We tried to conquer them first.

Shouldn't we shout mea culpa and redress our wrongdoing against them?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 02:07 pm
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thomas wrote:
It didn't even make a dent in America's 2001 murder rate.
Not worth giving up ones libertarian principles over.
I don 't have that in my plans.
WHICH libertarian principles do u have in mind???
Thomas wrote:
Limited government, for one. America's military is the largest piece of the federal budget, tied with Social Security.
I estimate that about half of this piece goes toward sustaining America's role as the world's policeman.
Agreed that we shud not be the policeman; that is an aspect of foreign aid,
to the extent that it is not supportive of our own self defense.
What obama did in Lybia was not in keeping with the Founders'
conception of the Constitution.





Thomas wrote:
(The rest of the world defends itself on half the percentage of its GDP that America does.) Also consider the added intrusions
on civil rights---the PATRIOT act, the president commissioning extra-judicial assassinations of US citizens, and so forth.
I have never approved of the Patriot Act.
I 'd have voted against it. It was not W 's finest hour.



Thomas wrote:
To those of us who like their government small and their individual liberties expansive, the past 10 years have been dismal.
I must agree (qua the Congress n the President).





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 02:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Interesting you mentioned that fine Socialist Orwell. In 1984 one of the instruments of control was to keep the nation continuously at war, East Asia, Eurasia. It helps to warp the populace into thinking there's an implacable enemy bent on world domination, Moslems neatly slotted into the vacant slot left by the 'Commies.' In your thinking the Founding Fathers are Big Brother, and you're about as free as the citizens of Oceana.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 02:21 pm
@izzythepush,
please pass the soma...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 02:30 pm
@Rockhead,
That particular dystopia would fit in with Dave's hedonistic leanings.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 02:53 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Why do you suppose they hate us?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
For the same reason as 1,OOO years ago.
Thay r moven by their religion to conquer the world,
like the nazis & the commies wanted, but we stand in their way.

David
InfraBlue wrote:
Their hatred stems from something much more recent.
We tried to conquer them first.
Specify when n where, please ?



InfraBlue wrote:
Shouldn't we shout mea culpa and redress our wrongdoing against them?
I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.
We need to prevent them from making or buying nuclear weapons.
For New Yorkers, that is a matter of survival.

Accordingly, I wish the Jews very GOOD LUCK and 1OO% success
in taking out those nuclear facilities, as soon as possible.
As an American, I also wish to apologize to them
for any restraint upon them by obama.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 03:03 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
That particular dystopia would fit in with Dave's hedonistic leanings.
In your mind dystopia results from having FUN ?

Really ??





David
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 03:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
As an American, I also wish to apologize to them
for any restraint upon them by obama.


Oh, well, speak for yourself.


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 03:35 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
As an American, I also wish to apologize to them
for any restraint upon them by obama.


revelette wrote:
Oh, well, speak for yourself.
I ofen DO.





David
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 03:51 pm
Quote:
President Obama challenged his Republican critics to make a case to the American people for a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities if they really believe that that is the right course to follow, throwing down an election-year challenge to the men who are vying to succeed him and who say that his Iran policy has been too weak.

“This is not a game,” Mr. Obama said during a news conference at the White House timed to coincide with Super Tuesday voting in the Republican primaries in a number of crucial states. Mr. Obama gave a staunch defense of his administration’s actions to rein in Iran’s nuclear ambitions and said tough sanctions put in place by the United States and Europe were starting to work and were part of the reason Iran had returned to the negotiation table.

“The one thing we have not done is we have not launched a war,” Mr. Obama said. “If some of these folks think we should launch a war, let them say so, and explain to the American people.”

Mr. Obama’s comments followed speeches Tuesday morning at the conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, during which Rick Santorum derided the negotiations with Iran as “another appeasement, another delay, another opportunity for them to go forward while we talk,” and Mitt Romney, before the same group, said, “Hope is not a foreign policy.” Mr. Romney added, “The only thing respected by thugs and tyrants is our resolve, backed by our power and our readiness to use it.”

Mr. Obama hit back hard. “There’s no doubt that those who are suggesting, or proposing, or beating the drums of war, should explain clearly to the American people what the costs and benefits would be,” he said, reflecting a belief within the administration and the Obama campaign that Americans, after a decade of war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, are fed up with conflict if it can be avoided through diplomacy and economic pressure.

Beyond that, Mr. Obama said that administration and intelligence officials — in the United States and in Israel — believe that Iran has not acquired a nuclear weapon yet, and that there is still time for sanctions to force the Iranian regime to give up any weapons program it might have. “At this stage it is my belief we have a window of opportunity,” Mr. Obama said.

“And so this notion that somehow we have a choice to make in the next week or two weeks or month or two months is not borne out by the facts,” the president said.

He repeated a pledge he made on Sunday when he addressed the Aipac pro-Israel conference, that he would not “countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon, adding, “My policy is not containment.”


source

earlier today I found a poll which said most Israelis do not want war with Iran, I can't find a more recent poll of Americans but in November, 85% of Americans were against war with Iran.

Poll: Israeli Public Don’t want War with Iran

Poll: 85% of Americans against Iran war
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 04:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No I'm talking about the dystopic vision in Brave New World, sex, soap operas and drugs.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 04:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Anyway David your reasoning is severely flawed. First of all Moslems are hardly what could be called a unified group, as well as the obvious distinction between Sunni and Shia there are lots of different subgroups. There's not a great deal of concensus across the board.

In the Middle East, as well as the legitimate desire for freedom, there's also the sectarian conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran, which is a Sunni/Shia conflict. If you take the most extreme Al Qaida aim, it's about establishing an Islamic (Sunni) Caliphate across the historical Islamic world, which could include parts of Spain, Eastern Europe and Mediterranean islands. That does not include America. And this opinion is that of a tiny minority of Moslems, if it weren't for all the bombings they would be insignificant.

You talk about fear of nuclear strikes because you live in a port city. That would be suicide on Iran's part, America's quite big, and to successfully neutralise you as a military threat is pretty much impossible. Therefore the only point in having nuclear weapons is to deter invasion. Iraq didn't have them and was invaded, North Korea does have them and is safe from the threat of invasion. Stop sacrificing logic on the altar of ideology, and try thinking about this objectively.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 06:56 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Therefore the only point in having nuclear weapons is to deter invasion.


Why don't you offer nonsense like this to the Japanese. Why, I'm just sure they'd say that the U.S. only had a couple of bombs handy to 'deter invasion'.

If the weapons exist, they are often used.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 07:02 am
@Sturgis,
Not to sound like JTT, but aren't we the only country who has used nuclear weapons in wartime? If that is true, then there are quite a few countries who have nukes who haven't used them against people in wartime. I think they have tested them though. So I guessed technically they get used.





Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 07:07 am
@revelette,
To the best of my knowledge, yes.

My basic point to izzyT.P. was that if a weapon exists, it can be used. He is under the misguided impression that weapons are just held up and shown in order to deter invasions.
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