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Does A Teacher's Past Sexual Activity Matter?

 
 
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Accepting certain types of gifts for example.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:52 am
@Linkat,
Bribery ?
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:04 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Do you think a teacher should be fired for past activities such as this?

No I don't. To begin with, I don't think there's anything immoral in being gay, and I don't think there's anything immoral about pornography involving consenting grownups. And even if I did, I would be much more afraid of state-sponsored morality witch hunts than of teachers with a naughty but legal past.

firefly wrote:
Do teachers have a right to keep their private lives private?

Yes they do, but the principle can't be applied to this case: Movies are public by nature. Consequently, participating in one is intrinsically a public act, not a private act.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:07 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
unless they've been convicted of an offence, their personal lives are their own business

The college professor who was arrested for possessing and viewing child pornography on a plane, was immediately suspended from his teaching job.

Is possession of child pornography a crime in his jurisdiction? If not, the two cases have nothing to do with each other.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:09 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The issue with the school seems to be that he was in several porn films, and never disclosed this past employment when he was hired. I don't really think homosexuality is an issue with this case.

Do job applicants in Massachusetts have a duty to disclose all previous employment? I'd be surprised if they did.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Either that or the appearance of bribery.

I know in a sense the things that I am referring to are illegal. But another aspect the company tries to avoid is to even have the appearance of some thing that is not on the up and up. You have to consider that appearances and reputation can help or harm a company even if you are not in a regulated environment.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:19 pm
@Thomas,
I doubt it - often times you don't disclose prior employment (or when completing a resume you want to keep the resume short and applicable) - not because you are trying to hide something, but because it is not applicable to the job you are applying for - although - I think I have seen applications where it does ask you to state for any lengths of unemployment why - I guess they may request it on an application all employment history, but I cannot imagine it is law one way or the other.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:20 pm
@Thomas,
I asked that before and didn't get an answer. I wonder about that, too, if it was just that school, and how far back one would have to go - I mean, you can't list every job you had since you were 15. Or is it just jobs that might compromise the school image? Or the education system?

On the other topic, several years back, the BC NDP govt had to ask the Director of the provincial auto insurance company to resign once reporters had a media blitz on how many driving points she had Smile They kept their frenzy going for over a month and the opposition party took it up and ragged at the govt every day in the Legislature so it was a surety she'd have to go. I believe she was appointed without an inquiry into her driving record.

In the older days (50 yrs ago), we had another MLA, Phil Gaglardi, who was ticketed for speeding so many times his nickname was Flying Phil. He didn't have to resign, though. And now a major route is named Gaglardi Way.

Not too long ago, BCs then premier got busted in Hawaii for a DUI. He didn't resign, but publicly apologized.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:23 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
Is possession of child pornography a crime in his jurisdiction? If not, the two cases have nothing to do with each other.

Correction: Replace "if not" with "if so".
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:41 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
Either that or the appearance of bribery.
I have been very, very familiar with that, for a goodly number of years.



Linkat wrote:
I know in a sense the things that I am referring to are illegal. But another aspect the company tries to avoid is to even have the appearance of some thing that is not on the up and up. You have to consider that appearances and reputation can help or harm a company even if you are not in a regulated environment.
This is true.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:48 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
I doubt it - often times you don't disclose prior employment (or when completing a resume you want to keep the resume short and applicable) - not because you are trying to hide something, but because it is not applicable to the job you are applying for - although - I think I have seen applications where it does ask you to state for any lengths of unemployment why - I guess they may request it on an application all employment history, but I cannot imagine it is law one way or the other.
Well, if there r gaps in your employment history, it looks strange. It attracts curiosity n scrutiny.
A potential employer 'd wonder about concealment of what?
Was he in jail?? Fired for stealing, or beating up the boss?
in a mental hospital ?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 02:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Sorry David but there are jobs that I would not bother to list as in my youth I was an agent/operator for two railroad companies and that had nothing to do with my history and career in electronic and also I was a census taker in 2010 and that had nothing to do with my career also.

Part time film work seem to fall in the same classification as far as a teaching career is concern.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 02:42 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry David but there are jobs that I would not bother to list as in my youth I was an agent/operator for two railroad companies and that had nothing to do with my history and career in electronic and also I was a census taker in 2010 and that had nothing to do with my career also.
The significant issue is the presence of gaps
in the work history of your resume that might give rise to suspicion of nefarious misadventures.


BillRM wrote:
Part time film work seem to fall in the same classification as far as a teaching career is concern.
That is a strong argument, if it was only part-time.





David
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 02:58 pm
@Mame,
I did a Google search and some of the national teaching associations, in their statement of ethics, allude to the fact that anything in your past that could affect your effectiveness as a teacher must be disclosed. Depending on how you want to interpret that, appearing in 3 commercial porn films, in-between teaching jobs, might fall into that category. They also refer to engaging in any sort of behavior which is detrimental to the professional image of teaching, and appearing in porn might come under that.

So, it's also about the ethical and professional conduct expected of teachers and not just about the laws regarding disclosure.

If it's something you don't disclose because you know you might not be hired if it was known, you could be accused of being deliberately deceptive by this act of omission. A subsitute teacher in Florida was fired this year after his past history of appearances in commercial gay porn became known.

One thing surprised me in my reading on this issue and that was that teachers do not have fully protected rights of privacy, particularly non-tenured teachers. Teachers have been fired for sexual adultery, for instance, and the courts have sided with the school districts, and not the teachers, in such cases. So, in practice, the courts seem to allow communities considerable leeway in the types of "moral" behavior they can expect and require from teachers.

On the other topic, of the FAA chief resigning after his DUI arrest, that man was a top administrator at the main federal agency dealing with transportation, the main agency in the country most concerned about drunk driving on our roads. So, he could not have survived at his particular position, which was under the Department of Transportation, once he was charged with DUI--his transgression/crime was clearly at odds with the precepts of his own agency. And, at that level of government, when they place you on leave, which they did with him immediately after his arrest, they really expect that you will hand in your resignation to avoid further embarrassing and tarnishing the current administration. That man had to fall on his sword and resign ASAP, which he did.
Other public officials could be arrested for DUI and it wouldn't require them to resign, because the nature of the crime wouldn't be so closely tied to the nature of their jobs. This man's job was involved with transportation safety, so for him to violate transportation safety, by driving drunk, on the wrong side of the road, meant he had to go, and he understood that.
It's unfortunate all around, because he was needed in his position, and they really can't replace him until after the presidential election, because the administration doesn't want to get embroiled in a confirmation process now, so the deputy chief of the FAA will fill in until then.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:20 pm
@Thomas,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
unless they've been convicted of an offence, their personal lives are their own business

The college professor who was arrested for possessing and viewing child pornography on a plane,
was immediately suspended from his teaching job.
Thomas wrote:
Is possession of child pornography a crime in his jurisdiction?
If not, the two cases have nothing to do with each other.
I 'm still having trouble in grasping the underlying concept qua possession
of illegal pornography (unless the person in the picture objects, like when
Jackie Kennedy was photographed with a telephoto lens nude on an island).

I have posted several times, getting no response, that a pervert
took a picture of my rear end when I was in the hospital for surgery
in 2005. I deem that to be a stupid and a sick thing to do, but I have
no interest in that event (except to use it as an example here).
If the same thing had happened to me when I was a kid,
I 'm pretty sure that I 'd not care about that then either.
It was harmless.

Concerning ALL photography: if it shows a felony
being committed, be it rape, sodomy, murder, counterfeiting,
election fraud, or robbery, efforts shoud be generated
by the police to arrest the apparent felons for criminal prosecution,
but I see no reason for possession of this evidence to be criminal.
(If the man who complained about Coach Sandusky sodomizing
a boy in the shower had taken a picture thereof, shoud he be jailed?)
This is very new in American jurisprudence, creating new, invented
jurisdiction manifesting thought control by government.
That is too dangerous. It is unAmerican.

Its scary: what 's next in the parade??
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDavid wrote:
Concerning ALL photography: if it shows a felony
being committed, be it rape, sodomy, murder, counterfeiting,
election fraud, or robbery, efforts shoud be generated
by the police to arrest the apparent felons for criminal prosecution,
but I see no reason for possession of this evidence to be criminal.

In the case of child pornography, the reason to criminalize possession is that the possessor has presumably paid for it. His payment, in turn, subsidized the producers for raping more children to produce more pornography. This prohibition is about controlling acts, not thoughts.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Concerning ALL photography: if it shows a felony
being committed, be it rape, sodomy, murder, counterfeiting,
election fraud, or robbery, efforts shoud be generated
by the police to arrest the apparent felons for criminal prosecution,
but I see no reason for possession of this evidence to be criminal.

Possession of the photographic evidence of a felony is not criminal--but it should be turned over to the police.
The only porn that is illegal is child pornography.
Regarding the situation with the man viewing child porn on the plane, the passenger who photographed him doing do violated no laws. And, in another thread, on that topic, I posted an except from the federal child porn laws to show you that he had not violated them.

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread????
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:34 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
possessor has presumably paid for it, and that his payment is subsidizing the producers for raping more children to produce more pornography
.

Sorry but as far as I know people get most child porn the same manner as normal porn using p2p networks or more direct trading with no funds transferring hands in the process.

Websites who sell child porn is not unknown however I question if it amount to any large amount of the total CP available on the net.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:48 pm
@firefly,
Well in reading that - the man, if his chosen profession was going to be a teacher should have realized that appearing in such movies would most likely impact his qualifications to become a teacher. Or even if it was prior to deciding to become a teacher - upon deciding to go towards such a career should have done his due diligence on the requirements of the job and realized he would not qualify.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:52 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
possessor has presumably paid for it, and that his payment is subsidizing the producers for raping more children to produce more pornography
.

Sorry but as far as I know people get most child porn the same manner as normal porn using p2p networks or more direct trading with no funds transferring hands in the process.

Websites who sell child porn is not unknown however I question if it amount to any large amount of the total CP available on the net.



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