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Why do atheist try to convert Christians

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 05:47 am
@Setanta,
listening to LAdy Gaga music

Or Irish folk songs , whichever grates worst
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Ding an Sich
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 07:29 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Like the title says why do you think that atheist try to convert Christians?
Why do they try to prove them wrong?
Do you have any idea why they do this?


I do not think proving someone wrong entails trying to convert that individual.

But it should be obvious that the reason some (not all) atheists try to convert Christians is to get their numbers up; after all, the church of atheism is a budding religion. They need more atheists in those damn pews!
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 07:32 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

( Sorry - To Arella May, not Reasoning Logic)

I have given you this answer before:

Richard Harris argues that all belief involving "an afterlife" gives succour to extremists who would destroy "this life" . Since modern technology now gives extremists the means to do this, "believers" are likened to "recreational drug users" who disclaim the dangers of addiction.

Christians who argue that their belief system occupies "the moral high ground" in this matter need only consider their brethren awaiting "the Rapture in the Holy Land" to realise they will be tarred with the same brush.
Huh? What did I say to bring that on?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 07:34 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Some do, and there are certainly militant "atheists" who make a religion of their alleged non-belief, and attempt to make science a scripture. In my experience, precious few know much about science (and if i, who am not well educated in science, can spot that, they're in sad shape). These people attempt to beat others to death with their supposed excellent world view.

But this is a venue to which people come to argue such things. Most of the atheists here that i know of don't bring this sort of thing up, and most don't head for religious threads to argue. Even those who do are behaving in a manner which is not typical of their behavior in real life. Out in the world, i avoid the subject of religion. It's ill-bred, for one thing. People in society who wish to be polite do not bring up politics or religion as subjects for conversation. Another matter is that politics and religion are only likely to come up in conversation with fanatics. I have no interest in discussing things with fanatics.

It's an absurdity to say that atheists try to convert christians. I stopped practicing religion when i was 13. I stopped believing when i was about 17. But i was 40 before i ever encountered the militant, pushy, annoying kind of atheist and i avoid them like the plague.
Which is why I said I'm not sure convert is the correct word.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:09 am
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:
They believe they have the truth and they want to share that truth with others.


I don't think this is correct.

I think you attach the idea of beliefs and truths to atheism, when atheists (or at least the ones I've met) are either disinterested or think that no one knows.

No belief or truth involved.

If you look at many interactions between religious believers and atheists, you'll find the atheists asking questions - requesting proofs etc. I don't think you'll find them offering truths and proofs too often.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:15 am
@ehBeth,
I guess it would depend on the forum ehBeth. It is a lot different on this forum than it is in a chatroom. Some of the "atheists" are doing exactly as you stated and some are not. Maybe this is a question I shouldn't have attempted to answer. I'm not an atheist so I really should recognize I wouldn't be able to answer that with anything other than my own personal opinion. Thanx for explaining!
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:16 am
@Arella Mae,
My mistake..... I thought you originated the thread...I was wrong, but I have raised this point with you on previous occasions.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:42 am
@fresco,
No problem. I seriously need more coffee this morning. :lol:
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 12:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
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What is a true atheist?


Someone who meets with other atheists on a weekly basis...sort of like atheist church.

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Do some people only pretend to be atheist?

Some people hedge their bets by loudly denouncing organized religion while praying under their breath that god won't hear them.

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I would think that atheist are like a box of chocolates varying in many different ways!

You would think so but ...UH UH.
There's only one requirement to being an atheist.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 01:16 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Please explain and please note that my title does not say {all} atheist try to convert!


Should read "I don't know how to write a question.

Note that your use of the word "us" conveys another false impression

Also, questions usually end with a question mark. Here's what it looks like: ?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 05:02 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

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Please explain and please note that my title does not say {all} atheist try to convert!


Should read "I don't know how to write a question.

Note that your use of the word "us" conveys another false impression

Also, questions usually end with a question mark. Here's what it looks like: ?



Not all of mine do but here are some that do in my original post!

Like the title says why do you think that atheist try to convert Christians?
Why do they try to prove them wrong?
Do you have any idea why they do this?


Is it strange that you were still able to understand what was being asked without the question mark? I wonder if everyone else could do the same?

I wonder if the word {why} has any more meaning than questioning.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 06:09 pm
@Ding an Sich,
Any cause right or wrong is just a cause...so I donĀ“t see the real point in your objection...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:11 pm
@Ding an Sich,
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I do not think proving someone wrong entails trying to convert that individual.


Do you know of people that try to prove other people correct in order to convert them?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:27 pm
@farmerman,
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Your title is disinegenuous and funny to boot.


What makes you think of me as being a disingenuous person?
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 08:44 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Do you know of people that try to prove other people correct in order to convert them?


Inverse logic is a fail in this case IMO
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2011 09:34 pm
I believe that Atheos wants us to bring people to a knowledge of him.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 04:30 am
Lots of possible answers come to mind. I imagine there are buttloads of reasons, but here are just a few off the top of my head:

Many people of all stripes who think they have the best answer love to show up others. Maybe it gives them a sense of superiority.

Revenge for having to answer the door every time somebody wants to use you to earn their way into heaven.

A reflex action like picking at a scab, swatting a mosquito, etc.

Humankind in general trying to expand and improve its store of actual knowledge about the universe by eliminating fallacious reasoning, empirically indefensible belief systems that discourage investigation into matters that may challenge the core belief, and, of course, challenging the various belief systems that have justified bloody holy wars in order to put a stop to the bloodshed. (Atheists aren't terribly militant against Buddhism, for example, because Buddhism hasn't been used to justify a holy war.)

Group think. Some may do it because their peers do it.

Just my amateur opinion, of course.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 05:34 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Humankind in general trying to expand and improve its store of actual knowledge about the universe by eliminating fallacious reasoning, empirically indefensible belief systems that discourage investigation into matters that may challenge the core belief, and, of course, challenging the various belief systems that have justified bloody holy wars in order to put a stop to the bloodshed. (Atheists aren't terribly militant against Buddhism, for example, because Buddhism hasn't been used to justify a holy war.)


um...

http://faculty.uml.edu/enelson/buddhismandwar.htm
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 05:56 am
When Oda Nobunaga was attempting unify Japan, he was opposed by, among others, the Buddhist Ikko Ikki sect, which fomented rebellion among the peasatns. Having determined to extirpate the Ikko Ikki, he employed sohei (warrior monks) from the Tendai sect of Buddhist monks.

The Sinhalese and Tamils who have been gleefully slaughtering one another for years now are mostly Buddhists. The CIA factbook lists the population as 70% Buddhinst, and that includes both major ethnic groups.

Buddhism may just manage to wiggle out of a charge of starting holy wars, but Buddhism has never prevented its followers from waging bloody wars.

Personally, as an atheist, i have serious problems with people who sit around and meditate while the world goes to hell around them. I am very particularly sickened by people who prate about the wheel of life and karma while women and children starve around them, and die of diseases which the simple provision of clean water would eliminate.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 09:49 am
@Setanta,
Setanta, I agree. As a "Buddhist"--at least as a follower of its philosophical principles--I am embarrassed by the historical indifference some sects have shown to the physical suffering of others, focusing ONLY on the psychic "dukkha" resulting from spiritual delusion. I should be even more outraged than you are on the grounds of your atheism. As a Buddhist I am also an atheist, but it's my--at least partial--identification with Buddhism, not my atheism, that should stir my outrage. You might include in your impressive store of knowledge the compassionate actions of many contemporary American and European zen Buddhists to the physical suffering of others. The names of masters such as Bernie Glassman and Thich Nhat Hanh come to mind when I think of zen activism.
I do sit around meditating, but I also do what I can--not as much as I can--to ease the suffering of the poor and oppose the arrogance of the powerful, but not while sitting on the cushion. Meditation is useful but not for everything.
 

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