@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Quote: Relating is hard, some times impossible and only the willingness to hang in there, and make it work, to give what it takes, to make the sacrifice of self
This is contradictory Fido. The word "real" means not artificial, fake or illusory.
The term "real man", if it has any meaning, would mean man in his natural state. This should be the way that men really are without outside influence or extensive training.
Being real is easy, I just do what comes naturally to me without effort. What is difficult is doing things that are not natural. If you have to force yourself to do something that you find almost impossible, you aren't being "real".
Also, The idea that killing a woman is only slightly worse then leaving her to be a little bit troubling. I hope you are not serious.
There is no such thing as a man in his natural state... The natural state for a man is with a woman... And I say that fully aware of the meaning of natural, and coming from naval, and natal, meaning our mothers, and our umbilical attachments to mother, and through her to all of society... Children are all selfish dirty animals who need to learn just about every facet of social living...
It is not usually something a child can learn from a single parent...
As far as its effect on children, and the psychological effect on people, clearly, some people kill their children, and some kill their mates rather than face life alone, and it may be that they are insane, but having been through divorce and raising children at a distance, I can say that death must be preferable...
I am not recommending murder or divorce... I am not saying there is not a great moral distance between the two... The next thing to New York is LA, compared to Paris... What is divorce comparable to??? Misery together because people cannot accept, or cannot make a deal is not better than divorce, but it is also not better than learning to relate, learning to give all it takes, and learning to make and keep deals whether they turn to **** or not...
Look.. People go to bed with people... They have sex together, eat each other's food, smell each others farts... No one marries a picture out of a magazine... Yes, people often conceal their worst flaws until they are married... Some times they are complete frauds... Most people have some idea of what they are getting into and if then, they do not want to accept, and give what it takes they are at fault... At that point the worst part of getting to know each other is over...
What causes people to look away??? It is not the beauty they see elsewhere; but the ugliness they see within that is often made obvious to them in their relationship... I am a baboon, and I act like a baboon... I look like a gorilla if I wear a suit, like a gorilla in a suit... I see a lot of serious **** as nearly hysterically funny, and often make inappropriate jokes or let words slip I would as soon recapture... I can't dance, and worse, I love to dance... Without the help of my wife, you see, I might conceive of myself as Superman, or Romeo... And if an inflated self conception were some how essential to my well being, I might be offended by her opinion... INstead, now we both know what sort of fool feels foolish for her.... At least she has the love of a real man, even if his resemblance to a chimp is unmistakable....