realjohnboy
 
  3  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:43 am
How does one go about finding what his/her IQ is?
Does it involve giving out a credit card number to some Nigerian website?
Olivier5
 
  0  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
his English grammar seems to be in need.

Is it in need of something in particular, or of nothing special?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:12 am
@realjohnboy,
Hi rib, Good to see you.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:17 am
@Olivier5,
If you need an explanation, it's impossible to explain..
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:02 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Or perhaps the logical conclusion is that a dunce, not recognizing he is a dunce, won't put people on ignore but will instead continue running around accusing smart people of being a dunces while proclaiming he has an IQ of 126 which makes him smarter than anyone else here.

BillRM is as smart as he says he is. And looking back on a past conversation between us, you and I are also as smart as we said we are.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:04 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Boasting of your IQ here is not helpful: your enemies won't believe you, and your friends will resent you for it... I never mention my humongous dick, for the same reason. :-)

Yes, but what do you do when the subject is forced upon you? I don't think Bill set out to proclaim his intelligence to the world.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:22 pm
@oralloy,
I think a2k is as close to the "world" as one can get.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:24 pm
@oralloy,
It can both be amusing and annoying when people with a fraction of your intellect are trying to degrade your opinions due to your claimed lack of both intelligent and knowledge at least according to them.

Poor CI is of the opinion for example that the human condition had change to the point that nothing can be learn and no lessons can be apply from the past even when our government was model to a great degree on the Rome Republic of two thousands plus years ago by the founding fathers.

When CI first came up with his stand that the past does not apply to our current and future welfare I was truly amazed as I had given CI more credit then that.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:27 pm
@BillRM,
Your lies are based on fiction - your own imagination.
maporsche
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

It can both be amusing and annoying when people with a fraction of your intellect are...


He could be 10 times smarter than you or half as smart and both would still be a fraction of your intellect.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Your lies are based on fiction - your own imagination.


What lies as all references to both our government founding and the details of the Rome Republic is a matter of firm record.

It is interesting that Edward Gibbon's books on the history of the both Roman Republic and the Roman Empire came out between 1776 to 1789 and was so popular with the founding fathers that a great many of them used names from Roman history as their pen names in their political writings

In any case, there is not all that must room to lied about the influence of Roman history on our founders.

Once more if you wish to understand today I strongly suggest reading about the past.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:51 pm
@BillRM,
The Magna Carta is the cornerstone of the US Constitution:
http://edsitement.neh.gov/lesson-plan/magna-carta-cornerstone-us-constitution
BillRM
 
  -2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 02:51 pm
@maporsche,
Given that CI is of the opinion that my referring to historical facts is either lying or writing fiction and yet he must be sitting in front of a computer that can access most of human knowledge in a heart beat and that would tell him otherwise there is something very strange and wrong with the man.
maporsche
 
  4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 03:00 pm
@BillRM,
Don't know or care about all that Bill.

Simply stating that, as an example, your IQ being 127 and you said that CI has an IQ that is a fraction of yours.

I'm merely pointing that he can be smarter or dumber than you and that his IQ would still be a fraction of yours.

If he were 9/10ths as smart, his IQ would be 114.
If he were 11/10ths as smart, his IQ would be 140.

Both are fractions.... Smile
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 03:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The Magna Carta is the cornerstone of the US Constitution:
http://edsitement.neh.gov/lesson-plan/magna-carta-cornerstone-us-constitution


LOL and that one document is the only influence on the US founding fathers?

Love in any case your fast internet search that was too fast to let you know that the writers of the carta was also influence by the Roman Republic history of placing limits on the power of their leaders.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 03:03 pm
Ok Bill, you are the most brilliant man on-line, everyone else pales in comparison. Now if it's ok with you, would you mind terribly if the rest of the forum discusses topics of interest to them?? Although deep down we all know you're a genius and have read history books, particularly about the Roman Empire, some folks are interested in expressing thoughts about D. Trump. It doesn't mean they are not fascinated with you, too much fabulousness is hard to absorb 24/7. That's all they want, an opportunity to think about other things.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 03:19 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Although deep down we all know you're a genius and have read history books, particularly about the Roman Empire,.


You'd better believe it.

http://asterix.openscroll.org/images/asterix_the_gladiator.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 03:27 pm
@glitterbag,
We all know Bill is a genius, and any information that doesn't agree with Bill is just fraudulent.
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/06/our-magna-carta-by-john-p-kaminski/
BillRM
 
  -2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 04:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
LOL ...............

I guess the founding fathers was not interested in the roman republic or model the US government in part on it as after all as CI had just proven with his link

Quote:

http://pangeaprogress.blogspot.com/2014/12/americas-founders-inspired-by-classical.html


James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, authors of the Federalist Papers, advocating ratification of the new US Constitution, signed themselves jointly as 'Publius', recalling Publius Valerius Poplicola, first consul of the Roman Republic.
Universities in that era placed enormous emphasis on reading Latin and Greek authors.
Women read classical books, Abigail Adams wrote regular letters to her husband, John Adams, signing herself as Portia, wife of Brutus.
The dialogue with the history of Antiquity helped to separate the new republics, the bastions of liberty, from the old feudal and monarchic regimes of Europe.
The Lycian League, which brought together twenty-three Greek city-states, was held up as a model of an excellent republic model.
Jefferson stated in 1795 on the American experiment that 'we have seen no instance of this since the days of the Roman republic.'

Classical influences on the Founders:
Men like John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Dickinson and James Wilson were superb classicists — they could read both Latin and Greek fairly well and knew Greek and Roman literature, history and philosophy rather thoroughly. Just as importantly, from the time they went to school, they saw ancient Greek and Roman statesmen as models to be emulated in their own careers as lawmakers, civic-minded leaders, public figures of responsibility. Most of these Americans actually learned how to speak publicly by channeling Greek and Roman orators; in fact, while in college, many of our founders gave public speeches in Latin as well as in English, and they engaged in debates using the personae of famous Greek and Roman orators and politicians.
John Adams thought of himself as an American Cicero, the great Roman lawyer and civic leader. George Washington portrayed himself as Cincinnatus, the Roman farmer-turned-general; he made his soldiers at Valley Forge watch his favorite play, Cato, about the Roman patriot who fought against Caesar’s attempt to take over Rome. James Madison looked upon Solon and Lycurgus, two Greek lawgivers, as models for his Constitution-making. Alexander Hamilton regularly and pointedly used pertinent Greek and Roman pseudonyms in publishing pamphlets arguing policy positions — the outstanding case was, of course, his choice of “Publius” for the Federalist Papers; Publius being Publius Valerius Publicola, a founder of the Roman Republic.

How ancient Greeks influenced America’s founding fathers
Historian and professor Carl J. Richard
"As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819
Cincinnatus: George Washington and the Enlightenment by Gary Wills
Greeks & Romans Bearing Gifts: How the Ancients Inspired the Founding Fathers by Carl Richard
"He read Cicero, Tacitus, and others of his Roman heroes in Latin, and Plato and Thucydides in the original Greek, which he considered the supreme language. But in his need to fathom the "labyrinth" of human nature, as he said, he was drawn to Shakespeare and Swift, and likely to carry Cervantes or a volume of English poetry with him on his journeys. "You will never be alone with a poet in your pocket," he would tell his son Johnny." DAVID McCULLOUGH on John Adams
"A successful physician and progressive thinker, Joseph Warren became an outspoken advocate of inoculations to battle the smallpox plague sweeping colonial America and vaccinated his most famous patient, John Adams. But medicine was not his only passion. As the colonies clashed with Mother England, Warren was drawn to the red-hot center of patriot firebrands. He became a propagandist, spymaster and orator who modeled himself on Cicero, occasionally donning a toga to deliver incendiary speeches. It was Warren who led the men to the “party” where they tossed a shipload of British tea into Boston Harbor. And he was the crucial link between Boston’s upper crust patriots –who got most of the glory– and the workingmen and artisans who did most of the dirty work. But Warren was left out of our poems. And our schoolbooks. And that’s too bad." Historian Kenneth C Davis
"What Athens was in miniature America will be in magnitude. The one was the wonder of the ancient world; the other is becoming the admiration of the present." Thomas Paine, Rights of Man
From the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers looked to classical history as a reliable guide to their successful experiment in building a lasting republic. Dr. Joe Wolverton II Cicero lived from approximately 106 B.C. to 43 B.C. John Adams, in his Defense of the Constitution, said of Cicero: “All of the ages of the world have not produced a greater statesman and philosopher united than Cicero…” First as a lawyer, then as a consul and senator, Cicero boldly defended the republic against the rise of dictators. John and Abigail Adams wrote over a thousand letters to each other during the months (sometimes years) that John was away from home helping found a new nation. As was the custom of the time, they adopted pen names: Abigail was Diana, after the Roman goddess of the moon and later she adopted the pen name, Portia, wife of the great Roman politician Brutus. John adopted the name, Lysander, after the Spartan war hero.
The Roman Classical Revival style was promoted and popularized by Thomas Jefferson, who found the impressively monumental architecture of ancient Rome a suitable model for the newly formed nation. This style was thus a political symbol as well, likening the young United States to the once powerful and influential Roman Republic. Jefferson designed his own home Monticello, the campus of the University of Virginia, and the Capitol of Virginia in this style, using ancient Roman temples as his guide. (Pennsylvania Historical Museum)
George Washington was sometimes called an American Cincinnatus because he too held his command only until the defeat of the British and, at a time when he could have chosen to exercise great political power, instead returned as soon as he could to cultivating his lands. After the end of the Revolutionary War, a group of former officers in the (now) American army formed The Society of the Cincinnati, taking the name from the Roman general. The city of Cincinnati was named after this organization, and a statue of Cincinnatus stands there today.
M.T. Cicero's Cato Major, Franklin's personal favorite from his press, is considered to be the finest example of the printing art in colonial America. Furthermore, this work by the Roman philosopher statesman Cicero is the first classic work translated and printed in North America.
Cicero and Franklin
There was one element of Antiquity that was not a good inspiration and that was slavery.
Thomas Paine stood tall among the founders in that he was against Slavery in the strongest terms, he wrote in 1774:
"To Americans: That some desperate wretches should be willing to steal and enslave men by violence and murder for gain, is rather lamentable than strange. But that many civilized, nay, Christianized people should approve, and be concerned in the savage practice, is surprising; and still persist, though it has been so often proved contrary to the light of nature, to every principle of Justice and Humanity. How shameful are all attempts to excuse it!"
Posted by pangeaprogress


cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2016 04:28 pm
@BillRM,
No. You really don't get it. The influences were many.
 

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