Seitan on the other hand---that's cooked wheat gluten---has worked just wonderful for me.
I'd never heard of it.
I'll have to check that out.
be cautious about using gluten-based products if you're trying to manage your diabetes by diet
I'm very interested in the results coming out of the zero waste farming movement research.
I did my vegetarian time, am fascinated by the studies by the high environmental costs of the 100 mile diet, and think it's now time to take the zero waste group seriously.
I'm a still-trying-to-be no meat eater. But we give in and eat those Elevation Hamburgers now and then. Can't say I've ever found a meat substitute that I'd rush to eat again. So, we eat mostly chicken and fish in any variety imaginable. Love veggie dishes.
Tofu eaters are about the biggest hypocrites among the ranks of the "virtuous vegans."
If people aren't eating meat, I don't see the point of having pretend meat. Really. It just seems stupid and pointless.
What about people eating imitation crab (made of fish), and people eating turkey-dogs?
Quote:But those are meat imitating meat (as flavor substitutes). Tofurkey and some of the other tofu based erzats products are actually molded to look like turkey legs or wings.What about people eating imitation crab (made of fish), and people eating turkey-dogs?
If you are trying to recreate some flavor and texture reminiscent of meat, why not just say that you are trying to recapture the devine flavor of meat while still appearing overly virtuous.
Ya cant make tofu bacon, its a shitty mess made of molded strings of dyed tofu that has been shot through with artificial flavorings and texture additives.
Instead of faking meat, you are eating some badass batch of chemicals, most of which were previously used as wood fillers and additives to dog foods.
Yes, animal protein does have mandatory vitamins and minerals in it that we can not find any where else.
I say, so be it. If people wish to eat beef, let them pay the actual price. Done.
We do NOT need meat / animal protein 3 times a day like the beef industry loves to suggest.
What is with your assumption that, a) this is directed at you
b) that it's unprovoked?
I've had vegans get in my face so frequently that at one point i stopped partonizing my neighborhood coffee shop because of their hostility, after i had ridiculed their bullshit objections to meat eating--so i don't consider my hosility to vegans to be unprovoked, for however you might see it. You may be reasonable (and of course, i have no way of knowing if that is true or not), but there are legions of militant, loud-mouthed vegans out there.
Stone-ground bread? Please, vegans get suckered so easily. There are no standards for the labeling of most foods with regard to the currently popular claims about food--they can grind a handful of barley with stones, distribute it among thousands of batches of bread, and call it stone ground. And what you get is bread made by traditional, commercial methods, using grains grown by traditional, commercial methods, and probably using vegetable shortening made from vegetable residues of commercial processes, and which vegetables were grown by traditional, commercial methods.
So when i have to deal with militant, in-your-face vegans (and there is never a lack of members of that crowd), i am disgusted as well as hilariously amused by their arrogance in view of their ignorance of where their food actually comes from, and what commercial agriculture does to the environment.
If that's not you, fine--but don't tell me it's unprovoked just because you're a simon-pure vegan of a charitable character . . . or claim to be.
failures art wrote:I say, so be it. If people wish to eat beef, let them pay the actual price. Done.
And let the vegans pay the price of eating non-meat foods which have been produced in an environmentally responsible manner--for a change. This kind of thinking--seeing one side but not the other--is another irritating characteristic of vegans.