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Was it a war crime when US nuked Hiroshima & Nagasaki?

 
 
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 01:27 pm
panzade wrote:

no test needed...just a note concerning the topic:war crimes

The US Government 's loyalty was supposed to be to the Constitution,
not to anything else, unless it is in conformity to the Constitution.

It declares that it is treason
to render aid and comfort to the enemy.
Failure to have nuked them woud have been treason, unless thay had surrendered.

Thay chose not to surrender until thay had been nuked.





David
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 01:33 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:

High Seas wrote:

Oralloy - from contemporaneous sources you will see that informal talks were held between envoys of the Imperial Court of Japan and officials in Switzerland, Sweden, even Russia, BEFORE Potsdam ...........


I wonder whether Stimson woud have preferred
to exchange the well being of the Japanese
for American casualties, including the bereaved back in America.


Why speculate when you can read Stimson's diary yourself:
http://www.doug-long.com/stimson6.htm

[quote]I regard these two subjects, viz: the effort to shorten the Japanese war by a surrender and the proper handling of Germany ..........
In the first one I have to meet and overcome the zeal of the soldier, and in the second the zeal of the Jewish American statesman seeking for vengeance.
[/quote]

Btw, Truman always denied that he was jewish, though I don't know why.
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 01:42 pm
i assure you...i have never made my opinion known on this thread...because I'm just not sure...rather, I'm reading along, enjoying the heaps of knowledge being displayed...if you wanna bite somebody's ankles...look for someone else
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 03:27 pm
High Seas wrote:
Oralloy - from contemporaneous sources you will see that informal talks were held between envoys of the Imperial Court of Japan and officials in Switzerland, Sweden, even Russia, BEFORE Potsdam - admittedly at low levels. When Japanese officials tried to meet higher-level Russians (with whom they were not at war at the time, as you know) they were allowed to arrive and then contemptuously told that the Russians had already left for Potsdam. The report of the returning delegation to Tokyo minutely describes the loss of face at this treatment - and that record, as well as many others, have been preserved by all participants. Secretary Stimson mentions it specifically in his diary - and he, unlike others in that administration, was extremely uneasy at dropping these terrible new weapons on what he called "defenseless women and children" in Japan.



Japan tried to talk to Russia about various topics throughout 1945.

Before the collapse of Germany, Japan tried to talk to Russia about making peace with Hitler. They thought that would allow Germany to focus all their resources on the western front, and force us to take resources away from the Pacific in order to shore up the UK.

After the collapse of Germany, Japan tried to talk with Russia about switching sides and helping Japan in the Pacific theater.

Around July of 1945, Japan gave up on "winning the war", and started thinking about "not losing the war". Then they tried to talk to Russia about mediating negotiations to end the war with a ceasefire (but only after we had been demoralized with the huge slaughter of our soldiers on Japan's beaches).

As you say, Russia was not much interested in talking with Japan. And since none of those attempts to talk to Russia amounted to a surrender attempt, we weren't much interested either.


The government of Japan did not engage with Switzerland or Sweden until after both A-bombs, when they actually started trying to surrender.
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 03:27 pm
panzade wrote:
recent studies by German experts has debunked the 500,000 casualties reported at Dresden...20,000 to a maximum of 25.000....still a heavy toll but certainly not in the same category as the A-bombing

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3123512/Dresden-bombing-death-toll-lower-than-thought.html


True, but that was probably more to do with the structure and flammability of the city than with any intention on the part of the attackers.

The firestorm in Tokyo killed about 100,000. But Tokyo was a lot easier to burn.
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 03:44 pm
True, most buildings in Tokyo were made from wood and paper vs stone/bricks in Dresden.
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 03:50 pm
but NOT true as far as the train station of Dresden is concerned - it contained tens of thousands of refugees attempting to flee the red tide moving in from the former Russian border. Read the American prisoners of war remembrencas of the event.

Anyway - am very glad to say that the people of London SQUARELY turned their backs in every single street where Harris's bier was driving through on its way to the cathedral, and that, furthermore, Harris himself was, while still living after his monstrous bombing of Dresden, technically exiled to South Africa. Go, Brits!

POST SCRIPTUM BY A MISTAKE I REPLIED TO A MAN WHOM I HOLD IN CONTEMPT UNTIL AND UNLESS HE APOLOGIZES. I AM SORRY THAT I CLICKED HIS POST INSTEAD OF THE POST I INTENDED. THANKS.
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 03:56 pm
Although my response was in terms of "generally speaking," and I didn't mention anything about the train station, I'll accept your claim about "tens of thousands of refugees..."
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 04:17 pm
Quote:
....Death is coming for all of us anyway, and it is better to be Lot's wife looking back through salty eyes than the Deity that destroyed those cities of the plain in order to save them....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1426772
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 04:38 pm
Chalk it up to those authors of old who had better imagination than many of our contemporary writers of comic books. Lots wife turned into salt for turning around.
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