The Spiritual Knowledge and Logic

God is beyond all the words and cannot be the understood meaning of any word and therefore, logic cannot touch God.

God and Logic? First of all if God is Creator than He created logic. The question is can we come to understanding of God existence based on the logic with no reliance on any Scriptures?

Those are traditional arguments of Natural Theology:
But if you ask how do I have a logic to begin with than it may give the answers to God's existence.

Whenever the direction to God was twisted by misinterpretations, I came several times to this earth through human bodies to remove the misinterpretations and restore the correct direction. I communicated the truth according to the then existing standards of logic and analysis (Science).

God and Logic? First of all if God is Creator than He created logic. The question is can we come to understanding of God existence based on the logic with no reliance on any Scriptures?

The Spiritual Knowledge and Logic

The spiritual knowledge or philosophy (Vedanta) is generally based on logic (Tarka).

Spiritual knowledge is not philosophy. In fact, philosophy is antithetical to spirituality in its purest form. Most Existentialists are philosophical atheists who do not believe in any form of spirituality.


God is certainly above the logic and thus logic cannot touch Him (Naisha Tarkena -Veda).

Logic is not an entity but a process. In fact, wouldn't you say God reasons?

Nobody can show God by the indicating finger.

if everything is God then anything you point to is ultimately God--true?


Veda clearly states that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence and logic and the best way of explanation is silence about God.

This is very true. Our brains were designed to navigate the physical world and our minds mimic the laws of nature which establishes our logic and reason. However, there must be something divine surrounding logic and reason. For without those capacities could we judge our own sins? How could we know guilt and shame? Reason and logic exists and are therefore the gifts from God to do his work--wouldn't you say?


If that is so, there is no necessity of spiritual knowledge, because God cannot be known or imagined. Then what is the use of all these scriptures? Why are there so many discussions and debates?

Ah the scriptures! Keep in mind that tradition states that all scriptures came from God. That these scriptures are said to come from God through great men of the past. If people did not believe that, no one would read them.


Lord Yama says in Veda that angels and sages are still discussing about God and have concluded that God is unknowable. Here unknowable means unimaginable even to the logic. They have not conducted such long discussions to know simply that God is unknowable because it is not the object as my friend says! If God is said to be unimaginable, what is the subject of discussions? The answer is that the logic used in long discussions is not about God but about the Non-God entities (items of creation).

Would "knowable" mean something that is subject our senses? If so, then god is not knowable. However, if God is knowable as a "feeling" then God is knowable. But feelings are beyond logic and reason as is God. Could there be a connection.


Certainly, we cannot know God by logic or by any other means, but we can use the logic to reject a Non-God item projected as God. When you say that awareness is God, we will use the logic and see whether awareness is an item of creation.

In order to know what is tall you must know what is short. If logic cannot find God then how could it be used to know a Non-God entity? And if it exists it must be an item of creation.


If it is an item of creation, certainly it can be analyzed by logic. If logic fails to analyze it, certainly we will accept it as God. Similarly we shall apply the logic to several entities rejected as God and see whether any item is beyond logic.

Logic is man made. Regardless if we can or cannot capture an entity within its net, the subject may still be either God or Non-God. Logic has many failings on its own.


The logic is the analytical faculty supported by practical examples, which stands as experimental verification. The ancient Indian logic was developed based on practical examples like mud pot etc. The advancement in logic took place from time to time and the logic was more and more sharpened. The authoritative parameters (Pramanas) have improved in number and therefore the schools of Nyaya, Vaiseshika and Vedanta differed in the subject of logic. The number of Pramanas increased from 2 to 4 and finally became 6 in Vedanta. This shows the improvement of logic in course of time.

This shows the improvement of knowledge not logic. Remember logic is only a tool to find answers and can create problems. Such as, "Can God create a rock to heavy for him to lift?"


Today science is the most advanced logic since the experimental verification was improved. Therefore if I am explaining the philosophy based on science, it means that the philosophy is more and more clear due to the advanced logic.

Science is an empirical enterprise: it is based on physical matter whereby there can be experimentation and verification reaching physical facts. There is no philosophy based on science. They are antithetical to one another. Science deals with physical reality and philosophy deals with mental reality.


I told you already that the logic (science) is only useful to refuse any item of creation as not God.

I know what your trying to say but if God created everything then where did he get the material? Where did God buy the trees, the animals, the sky? Did he go to a hardware store? No of course not. The only energy there was in the beginning was the energy of God. If that is so then God is every--thing.


The creator cannot be any item of the creation. If creator becomes creation, there must be some other creator for this creator to become the creation.

I believe I answered this above.

Ad-infinitum (Anavastha) results. Science disproved some conclusions of the earlier logic and this should not be misunderstood as refusing God.

I thought God escapes logic. If that is so then if science does or does not disprove conclusions, that has no impact on the existence of God.

God is in no way touched because the earlier logic also was dealing with only the analysis of created items.

Right now you are using logic and reason to advance a theory. A theory is not physical and is not in itself, a created item. Logic is used as a process that applies to both created physical items and ideas.
Yes, God remains beyond all words and cannot be "known." And logic still cannot touch God.

Cosmological -Everything we know is causes by something else, it must be uncaused cause, and this is God.
Teleological - There is orderliness or apparent purpose in the universe, it must come from designer, God.
Anthropological - Aspects of human nature such as moral order and longing for Higher being requires the existence of God
Ontological -God is the greatest of all conceivable beings, therefore it must be God.

There are people who are disputing all of those. It seems that based using the logic you can't prove or disprove God. But if you ask how do I have a logic to begin with than it may give the answers to God's existence.