sometime sun wrote:
Prayer can also be communal?
Do you talk to yourself Krumple?
If so does this mean it may be a personal prayer to the self?
No I don't talk to myself, but if i do it's probably because i am assuming someone is actually listening. But i don't go begging for things to be different than how they are. I accept life in its completeness both harsh and good, so why would I want it to be any different. Those who complain and want their god to fix their problems are just greedy babies in my opinion. You can't always win in life, you have to eventually lose and no matter how good you are eventually you will. That is not being pessimistic it is being realistic. If you can't accept failure then you don't deserve success.
You never address yourself?
You have no words you use to calm or upset?
The "assumption" there is someone listening, says a lot to me but I don't have the words available right now.
What is an assumption?
I understand a lot of people beg in prayers but I must say again there are many if not more prayers of thanks than their are for request.
I accept life being complete is also harsh and good, I simply accept God or the universe knows what is doing, but I just think it is natural to ask as well as answer, open close, beg and thank.
I have been known to beg, knowing full well while doing so I am not going to get what I ask for.
You may think this is even worse than expecting to be given what you ask for?
but what bugs me is those who say they truly trust God is real and end up doubting this faith when they do not get what they ask for.
So why have I begged if I have not expected anything from this beseechment?
Because I find it genuinely useful to analyse what it is I truly need and by the end of my entreaty I usually realise that what I ask for can only be gotten by me or as you say never rationally to be expected especially when you see the expression of that which you are begging.
Sometimes I find it very useful to be told "NO" you cant have or do that.
But I must state I quit begging 'God' for anything quite a few years back and this is not the reason I don't pray to God today, but this unasking or even unquestioning may also be because I am easily pleased and have very few material needs, and if it is a material I am in need of I will earn it, I learned the value of what constitutes as real NEED, I rarely ask for anything I don't need.
But then my needs are not the needs of others.
Just that I have very few.
But I do still wonder more what me begging the world or people accomplishes for me if I do not expect to be given?
Self fulfilling prophecy perhaps?
I mean this so don't think I am being sarcastic, but you must be highly conscious and wise to never ask for the world or yourself to give and get a little more than what you must always sound as if you are satisfied with.
If I didn't question it I would think you sound as if you are at peace with something I am yet to find or be made available for me.
But the same I could say about my self of you.
If you cant accept failure you may have earned your success.
If you cant accept failure you may make failure worth something.
Failure of course being worthless?
But the failure I speak of here is more your own than what is out of your control but then again maybe not?.
sometime sun wrote:
I think this might be closer to explaining my statement in the beginning where I said I believe everyone prays, because I am of the mind that everyone talks to them self, has communion with the self prays at least to them selves.
Na, like i said what would the point be? I don't hope for stuff that I can not effect myself. If I can change things, then there is no need to pray, and if i can't change things then what use would praying be? To anyone who tells me that their prayers are always answered, i ask them then if some god is fulfilling your prayers why is he not preventing people from starving to death? Sure god will makes sure you don't lose your job, or that your next door neighbor will stop throwing his trash in your yard or maybe the girl in your world studies class will like you. Or that you will have enough money to pay your bills, but can't do something as simple as make sure a 3 year old doesn't die from starvation. I deplore any god that would favor some asshole asking for his favorite team to win the game, while ignoring something as important as hunger.
But don't you see asking or praying to of the self can and does effect yourself.
"If" you can change things, meaning you must find a way to know "If" you can, how would you know you could or not if you did not ask and process yourself and the question and need?
How do you know if you need something if at first you do not need it or ask for it? In the decision of knowing you need anything there is a process of asking or begging for it.
I think this is true.
We know we don't need something because we at the least ask ourselves if we need it?
(This is a bit of a leap, but I leave it in to see if you do anything with it)
I agree I would deplore a god who would favour the need to find car keys over the need of the starving.
I certainly don't think it is God answering these "prayers".
There is no need to deplore God for this Krumple God does not favour.
But God is still listening to us all, even though God willnot or cannot answer.
Only we can answer us.
As for God playing a larger roll in your life and fulfilments, this is all ordinance NEVER preference.
God hates and loves us all equally.
(making a point, I don't think God hates)
It's such a slap in the face to all those who are suffering for no good reason while some rich white girl in the Midwest is saying she prayed for a check to pay for her college course and it showed up. And she's thanking Jesus for the money. I want to punch her in the face and take that check, buy some food and feed the starving children with it. Makes me sick how people talk about this complete nonsense sometimes.
Absolutely agree with you. Truth alert.
God does not even collect thanks if I look at it enough, and I would like to think judge someone dismissively for a bulls**t blessing.
If God even rates this kind of prayer or praise God would not be pleased with it and certainly not accept it.
(If God will ever judge anything positively or negatively?)
(Smile alert, I don't like the thought of punching dick head girls in the face but hearing you say it made me smile, mainly because I know you wouldn't either, or would you? hmmmmmmm? (smile))
Thank you Krumple, you are a reliable source of questions, preponderant ponderances and answers. You fulfil a need.