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Logical explanation: why a god must exist

 
 
igm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2013 08:00 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Well said!!!
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Cuterthanpaul
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2013 11:16 pm
@Johnny Fresh,
ok, lets assume(incorrectly) that God exists and that he (I purposely did not capitalize) created the universe, under your own logic, he must have been created by someone else, so I ask you, who created God?
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 08:23 pm
@imans,
Now,that's a load of horse --
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Jesus believer
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 09:29 pm
@Persona phil,
But if god were to create time he could have simply been forever because he would have been before time was created
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Seneca23
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 12:46 am
@Johnny Fresh,
Your logic is flawed, my friend, because you said that god has no beginning and has no end. That, alone, is no reason to believe that a god exists.

Energy, by nature, cannot be created nor destroyed. Therefore it is beginningless and endless. So there are other possibilities when it comes to the creation of the universe.
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 12:22 pm
@Seneca23,
NO, the nature of energy is ____ but where does it get its nature. You give godlike qualties to energy. is is self-existent?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 02:41 pm
Of course although this thread has been dormant a long time, ill wade in.
If we are going to use the nature of energy to establish it as infinite, you must also realise that the laws of thermodynamics would have rendered this energy almost entirely impotent by now. Energy has always been observed as being recycled into less useable forms of energy.
Anything that could cause energy to become more powerful, or forms of energy that maintain its usability after use would counteract natural law. That cause, or that energy would be by definition, supernatural would it not?
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Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 04:00 pm
If God is forever, you have to resolve that reality with the idea of reason; how is it fair that God judges if God knows the future?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 06:28 pm
@Thomas33,
A valid question Thom, though I'm not sure I buy into the prerequisites.

Why would a God who "knows the future" change his mind as with the Ninevites? Perhaps God can be surprised. Perhaps he sees probable futures based on calculations, perhaps the future is fluid, rather than static.

Ifs and perhaps all round
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:07 pm
@Thomas33,
A contradiction to be sure.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 09:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
There are many complications with the concepts of omniscience and omnipotence that work out as apparent contradictions. That is why I am reluctant to buy into them. Anything that isn't explicit in scripture (subjectively) I place into the speculation and philosophy drawer. I am merely surprised when some accept them as fact without question
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 12:59 pm
@Smileyrius,
Me too! All this mumbo jumbo is based on faith, and it doesn't matter which god we're talking about. I've visited India several times, and see them praying at the temples with great emotion. They move back and forth while praying.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 01:05 pm
@Smileyrius,
As I've said before, all my siblings are christians. When as a young teenager, I saw the many contradictions of the religion, I just couldn't make myself believe in the christian god. I've remained an atheist as a result.
I like buddhism for the fact that it teaches the self to improve.
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thack45
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 02:40 pm
@AugustineBrother,

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/57727488.jpg
CVeigh
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2016 01:06 pm
@thack45,
I think that after I posted something 40 or so times I would get tired.
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CVeigh
 
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Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2016 01:07 pm
@Thomas33,
But that has the fallacy of thinking that to know something is to cause it.

My dog sees a treat and I know he will eat it but I do not cause it. Quite the opposite.
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